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A Kantian Critique of "Sorry" by Justin Bieber

107 pointsby altmanaltmantoday at 1:24 PM40 commentsview on HN

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mwillistoday at 3:37 PM

This 3 minute song creates a fleeting portrait of a man, not necessarily Bieber, who we cannot know. The song captures the mindset of a character who, one might infer, cynically knows what he’s trying to do. It’s possible he has no interest in a heartfelt, meaningful apology. In fact, this character - who lives only within the song and the liminal world it creates - may be operating exactly to his own moral preference. We don’t know enough to say more. It’s like asking if a singer of “happy birthday” truly wishes their subject to be happy.

In short, you Kant analyze pop music with confidence.

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BubbleRingstoday at 2:05 PM

Funny. Take a simple pop song about apology and make an academic treatise on what a heartfelt apology looks like.

On the other end of the spectrum would be to summarize it in the shortest form with the simplest words, instead of with many and multi-syllable words. How about this (not mine, I’ve heard this in addiction recovery rooms, where apologies and amends are often discussed):

In the sentence “I’m sorry I did x, but you did y”, the word “but” means “disregard the above.”

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henrydarktoday at 2:31 PM

Song also proves Bieber is a dualist

"cause I'm missing more than just your body"

What else does she have that he misses?

cyanmagentatoday at 1:51 PM

Justin Bieber is a utilitarian rather than Kantian. From a UChicago economics view, he is behaving rationally.

wjtoday at 3:05 PM

That brought to mind this examination of Taylor Swift's Shake it Off:

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/taylor-swift-a-socratic-...

num42today at 3:15 PM

Good article! Off topic, It reminds me of this:

https://www.bensparks.co.uk/talk/the-sacred-geometry-of-chan...

stcgtoday at 3:14 PM

Fun read! I love the depth in seemingly superficial texts. Sometimes I similarly ponder claims or questions in advertisements.

shrubbytoday at 2:35 PM

After spending most of today circling around maxims I appreciate the application.

Though I must state that the pic almost had me closing the tab before reading.

Here's another venting out, somewhere near Categorical Imperative https://kohlbergs7.org/epm/

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kunditoday at 3:10 PM

Good. We can move to Bruno Mars now

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xenatoday at 3:31 PM

This is AI generated.

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therealjasontoday at 3:23 PM

Aside from the other links in comments, any where to read more of this? I need more.

b--ltoday at 3:15 PM

I need to stop using this website.

aeve890today at 2:37 PM

>No AI was used to generate the text for this article

Damn. Please never stop writing

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pipeline_peaktoday at 3:28 PM

Neil Hagerty (Royal Trux, Pussy Galore) Talks Justin Bieber’s Purpose

https://talkhouse.com/neil-hagerty-royal-trux-pussy-galore-t...

m-hodgestoday at 3:10 PM

I would thoroughly enjoy an entire podcast of this genre.

...

A Cartesian Critique of "Fireflies" by Owl City

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A Humean Critique of "I Gotta Feeling" by The Black Eyed Peas

hmokiguesstoday at 1:43 PM

Great, now do Apologize by Timbaland from the lenses of Schopenhauer

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