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ChrisMarshallNYtoday at 7:52 PM11 repliesview on HN

One convenient fiction that many wealthy people (in the US) tell themselves, is that poor people are "lazy"; and that's why they're poor.

I know lots of folks without a pot to piss in, or a window to throw it out, and not one single one, is "lazy." In fact, a few have more than one (difficult) job.

I am old enough to see a few of them getting into the back nine, with no cushion.

I'm extremely grateful for what I have.

[EDIT] Added "many" because it's more appropriate, and short-circuits the implied "all."


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tmoerteltoday at 9:53 PM

Yeah, most people probably underestimate the effect that several things have on where they end up in life: education, self discipline, hard work, making good decisions, persistence, and, especially, chance. If you screw up majorly on any the factors under your control, you dramatically reduce your chances of “the good life.” But, even if you do all of them right, you are still at the mercy of chance. Get born in the wrong year or at the wrong place or into the wrong family or with the wrong genetics and that's all it takes to set you up for a hard life.

The tragedy is that we could have a society that gives people more opportunities to escape the downward pull of chance gone wrong early in life. Maybe someday we'll get there.

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p-otoday at 8:20 PM

The pervasive myth that hard work == wealth needs to die. Every people I have met in my life wanted to have a shot at a decent life and would have put the necessary work for a decent wage.

The word lazy should be identified as what it really is: a pejorative.

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gumbytoday at 8:33 PM

Being poor is a lot of work, as is very well documented. When you have more money you can offload some (or in extreme cases pretty much all) of the labor.

andsoitistoday at 8:18 PM

> convenient fiction that wealthy people (in the US) tell themselves, is that poor people are "lazy"

just like all poor people aren't lazy, so too all wealthy people don't think this.

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Jtariitoday at 8:25 PM

Some people just have a several hundred year head start on others.

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Hikikomoritoday at 9:54 PM

Also prosperity evangelism.

teaearlgraycoldtoday at 8:40 PM

The more money I’ve been paid the less hard I’ve had to work. Across my friends this seems to be a pretty strong trend.

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fragmedetoday at 8:44 PM

There's four quadrants, lazy, works hard on one axis, and poor and rich on the other axis. Of those four quadrants, people exist in all four of them and it's stupid to pretend otherwise. That means that not pretending lazy poor don't exist, nor that rich hardworking people also exist. I know lazy poor people that aren't lazy so much as have severe mental health problems related to being poor, but also know rich people who could have fucked off to the beach forever by now but they keep working for some reason.

Why do I bring this up? Am I nitpicking? (yes) Until such time that there are no poor people, claiming there are no lazy poor people just gets people that actually know lazy poor people to tune out anyone's dreams of UBI because I'm not paying taxes on income I earn through me working, so that everyone else can be lazy and not work. It's as simple as that. Yes we can point to systemic and racially moviated biases that lead to unequal outcomes, but that isn't convincing on why my tax dollars should go to lazy poor people who refuse to work or even go to the EBT office to. I'm all for my tax dollars going to hard working poor people, and especially to their health care because a cancer or diabetes diagnosis should not bankrupt anyone, but the rest is hard to swallow.

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zer0x4dtoday at 9:35 PM

Not lazy, smart -> Likely to become a millionaire

Not lazy, not smart -> Will probably make ends meet, but not a millionaire

Lazy, samrt -> Toss-up. Can either make it far or end up broke

Lazy, not smart -> Likely to be broke

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userbinatortoday at 8:32 PM

It's not "lazy"; it's "made the wrong choices"... which I suppose you could call "intellectually lazy".

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bagxrvxpepzntoday at 9:27 PM

> One convenient fiction that many wealthy people (in the US) tell themselves, is that poor people are "lazy"; and that's why they're poor.

If they aren't physically lazy, they're unambitious or refuse to attempt nominally mentally difficult things (like math) and that is mental laziness. Poverty isn't random.

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