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xyzelementtoday at 11:15 AM0 repliesview on HN

It's been a few years - and I guess decades - since I read Cliff's book. One thing I recall is his journey from a Berkeley hippie to a man dealing with the military and men in suits and realizing that they are also good and necessary people. And also becoming a family man if I remember correctly.

It's a really important part of the story in my mind of Cliff growing up - sort of - as part of the experience.