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flanked-evergltoday at 11:35 AM5 repliesview on HN

"The luddites were right" seems like an odd position to have on HN.


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Starman_Jonestoday at 11:52 AM

Why? The hacker ethos is all about understanding systems as they actually are; not as the people at the top want them to be. With the benefit of hindsight, it’s pretty clear that the Luddites were right; the industrialization of weaving did destroy their profession, and, contrary to the opinions of the political leaders, this had a direct, negative impact on society for many decades. The curious-minded hacker should not ignore that reality, even if they think the circumstances are different this time.

forestrywattoday at 12:57 PM

Only if you don't know what the Luddites were concerned about. HN users tend to be better educated, and understand that the Luddites probably were right -- they weren't anti technology at all. They just wanted the benefits of the technology to be split between the factory owners and the workers. Instead, the factory owners wanted to keep all the benefits and fire all the workers.

Luddites wanted a rising tide to raise all ships.

unrented7977today at 11:43 AM

The vast majority of people who think the Luddites were wrong have no idea what they actually stood for

digitaltreestoday at 12:00 PM

HN isn’t a monoculture. And the Luddites weren’t against tech. They were against the avoidable harm by thoughtless adoption of automated looms. Their argument was distorted and smeared much like is happening here.

Hackers used to be counter culture and want to push power down to individuals. If anything this techno fascist push to merge big tech with government while steamrolling humans is not hacker culture.

We should home brew data centers for open weight models and open labelled datasets.

blitzartoday at 11:53 AM

"The tech bros were right" doesnt exactly have a great track record.