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imerontoday at 8:49 AM6 repliesview on HN

It's pointless to look for solutions that's against human nature.


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mrkeentoday at 10:12 AM

'Against human nature' is where every intervention begins! Otherwise you wouldn't bother intervening.

sixtyjtoday at 9:33 AM

Law of conservation of energy can be applied here as well. So you can’t expect something else if you produce and consume more.

I don’t dispute capitalism and democracy.

Just trying to figure out what I (as person) really need.

Every weekend travelling by plane just to experience something else?

Ordering some stuff across the globe from Temu, Aliexpress just because it is cheap(er)?

Eating e.g. tuna because it is healthy that had to be transported around the globe?

Drinking wine from South Africa because I don’t like Californian? (Blind tests by Wine Spectator magazine confirm that even a sommelier doesn’t recognize cheap from expensive ones.)

Global export-import statistics is staggering… just a few: all metals, honey, fish, vegetables from Spain, avocados from Peru, almonds from California, cheaper than local milk transported across Europe , bananas from everywhere you can imagine… supply and demand - a lot of people have a much more money.

Vessel and plane trackers show so many vehicles moving around that I wonder how whales can handle this traffic.

There is chemical and industry that is real spin doctors.

(Almost) everyone wants to have house, car, cheap everything, travel everywhere. Those who can’t afford do everything to become rich.

Wealth is good. Plundering to get more money not so much. And mankind plunders like there is no tomorrow. All the CSR, circular economy etc is nice but brainwashing and stuff for distraction so people could feel better.

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DavidPipertoday at 1:44 PM

Excerpts from a response to "human nature" arguments (source: https://www.instagram.com/p/DZDCXpEsSZZ)

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Arguments based on human nature are nearly always awful.

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It's human nature to care about yourself, but it's also human nature to care about others.

Different norms develop around different aspects of our nature.

You can't then use human nature to explain why it's okay to violently enforce social norms related to property,

but an unworkable injustice to violently enforce social norms related to charity.

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While it might be human nature to consider the wood I chop mine, and the wood you chop yours,

it's probably not human nature to consider the wood as belonging to an entirely made-up legal entity

that neither planted the trees nor cut them down.

The fact of this weird arrangement, which goes against the self-interest of every woodsman,

does seem natural to a lot of people, points to the core of the problem with appeals to human nature.

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The human nature being appealed to is shaped by the system it's being used to defend.

Frickentoday at 11:53 AM

We're acting against our own evolutionary fitness function. Human nature is against human nature.

socotoday at 9:00 AM

So the human nature is to kill ourselves or otherwise let ourselves die out? Sorry dude, I don't want to accept that - I don't even believe it.

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burnt-resistortoday at 9:33 AM

Leadership by the Tokugawa shogunate saved the forests of Japan. Leadership saved the ozone layer. Leadership can save the climate, although civil war(s) maybe necessary to overthrow corrupt elites who put us all at risk.

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