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Daycare Pseudoscience

33 pointsby surprisetalklast Friday at 12:42 PM7 commentsview on HN

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xg15today at 8:25 AM

I'm not in that debate at all (this was actually the first time I heard there is an "anti-daycare movement" at all) but I found the section on cortisol to be extremely unconvincing.

Basically, the anti-daycare camp claims they have evidence of a clear relationship between elevated cortisol levels and daycare visits - to which the author responds with a bunch of irrelevant, deflective points like "cortisol is an important part of the metabolism and it fluctuates all the time anyway and sometimes it's even low in people who are stressed!" None of which addresses the concrete issue that the camp brought up.

That's "the climate has changed before" kind of arguing.

The irony is that he made a better argument at the end ("are they really stressed or just excited and in an unfamiliar environment, meeting lots of new people, etc etc") but only after doing all this handwaving before.

vjk800today at 7:50 AM

I read a bunch of pop psychology books (by supposedly respectably authors who were academic researches on this stuff) on child development when my kids were in that age. Weirdly, the author of this leaves out a completely relevant variable from the discussion: the child's age.

As far as I recall from my readings, daycare might be harmful for very small children (around age 2 and below), who are still very attached to their mothers. Above that, it is a matter of how large the group size is and how professional the daycare teachers are. Children below the age of 6 or so benefit from very small groups, because they don't yet have the social intelligence to navigate multi-person interactions. All children left on their own tend to develop anti-social behavioural patterns (such as taking toys from other by force, etc.), and a qualified daycare professional is supposed to watch for and weed out that kind of behaviour.

zdc1today at 7:19 AM

Peoples' home lives and school lives can be so varied that I wonder if an A vs B comparison is even appropriate. Are the kids going to be playing outside? On an iPad? With the neighbours? Watching Christian TV? Are there bullies at school? Does their home feel safe?

And even if there's an impact one way or another, daycare has a much bigger role in helping keep women in the workforce. Many don't make it back in after a 5 year break to raise kids. Daycare helps stop them from falling off the career ladder.

bryanrasmussentoday at 6:29 AM

reading it I notice that the argument against daycare was referencing an American and the arguments for daycare were referencing Europeans. Can it be that the cultures have two different approaches to daycare? Either that or, as https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49496012 says it's a bunch of crap. I tend not to flag but the article seems close enough to anti-vaxx but where daycare is concerned that I am sorely tempted.

Also they cookie banner is the most annoying bit of passive-aggressive UI I've seen in a long time, and now I feel stupid and dirty because I decided oh well I'll be nice this time and just Accept All. UGH. Curse me for my clemency.

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bonsai_spooltoday at 5:42 AM

This is junk both-sides-ism. I wasted minutes waiting for the delivery of reasonable studies that support and oppose daycare but ended up seeing the authors repeat the trope of dismissing studies of hundreds of participants wtihout trying to understand if the experiment was appropriately powered at that sample size.

This link should be flagged and removed.

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