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bluebarbettoday at 12:55 PM4 repliesview on HN

During the 2010 debt crisis there was much talk of profligate Greece being "thrown out" of the euro zone. In this dark scenario Greek civil servants would get their pay rises in worthless drachma, but Greek homeowners would be left with unpayable euro mortgages. But nobody ever talked about the Montenegro option (similar to Ecuador and USD). I never understood this. What was stopping Greece from defaulting and keeping the euro anyway?


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amelungtoday at 2:56 PM

The Greek state didnʼt just need to get rid of the huge amount of old debts (what a default would have been good for) and was not interested in the currency in itself (keeping the euro outside the euro zone) but needed a lot of more money: new loans and the further payments for being in the euro zone.

This money was needed for public expenditure and to keep the Greek banking system running.

The biggest creditor banks of the Greek state were, in fact, Greek (ca. 50–60 bn. Euro).

The biggest foreign creditor banks were French (ca. 42 bn. Euro).

Accordingly, France was for more financial support (for Greece) to be payed by all EU member states.

The German banks were only a distant third (ca. 25 bn. Euro). But the German state was the biggest donor among the EU member states.

That is why Germany and some other net contributors e.g. the Netherlands were not too keen on keeping Greece in the EU zone at all costs. For them, the solution you named (“defaulting and keeping the euro”) would have been the rather advantageous, but not for Greek nor for other powerful member states. Nor for the Greek oligarchs – remember, Greek is a country of only about 10 million people who were not that well off – in whose hands may have ended most of the 360 bn Euros of the old debt? They liked the toxic fairy tales Varoufakis was telling (married to a member of the Stratos family).

riffrafftoday at 3:48 PM

> Greek homeowners would be left with unpayable euro mortgages

Just fyi, Hungary had a ton of homeowners with loans in EUR and CHF and when the HUF collapsed the rates became untenable and the government just said "eh, fuck the banks, let's keep the previous exchange rate". The banks survived too.

It's a hard political decision but not an impossible one.

(Disclosure: I deeply disliked that government for other reasons and didn't have a loan, it was just interesting to see populism in action without obvious downsides materializing)

317070today at 1:07 PM

Look into who they were the debtor to. Turns out that a lot of German banks would have needed to scrap debt from their books.

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andrepdtoday at 1:14 PM

> profligate Greece being "thrown out" of the euro zone. In this dark scenario Greek civil servants would get their pay rises in worthless drachma, but Greek homeowners would be left with unpayable euro mortgages

That was indeed the "mainstream media" (I so hate that expression but it does apply) opinion. The reality is more prosaic: German (and French, but mostly German) banks would be screwed if those debts were defaulted upon.

Look at the GDP per capita of Greece since 2010. Looks like staying in the Eurozone didn't do them much good either...

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