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hackyhackyyesterday at 8:20 PM3 repliesview on HN

> The thing is nobody has to comply with 1509 summons, DHS has to go to court to enforce it.

You're not wrong, but companies such as Google make business decisions, not moral decisions. It's far easier and cheaper for them to comply, while there is basically no incentive for them to fight the summons. Especially given the current administration's proven record of taking retaliation against anyone who stands in their way.

If you want companies to behave in the interest of the general public, you need to create an incentive structure that supports that.


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buzeryesterday at 8:42 PM

Wouldn't the affected individual be able to sue the provider at least in some cases? From what I understand e.g. Stored Communications Act might allow suing T-Mobile in this case, at least if the individual isn't covered by binding arbitration. And possibly even government under 18 U.S.C. §2712.

Of course then it's up to judge to determine if the request was valid or not.

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mmoossyesterday at 10:18 PM

The OP contradicts your theory:

"In Fort’s case, Google did not comply with the summons for any of the accounts. The company responded to the DHS by saying it had not offered evidence of how it was related to a customs investigation."

> companies such as Google make business decisions, not moral decisions

The world is more complicated than that; they make both kinds of decisions and many decisions aren't clearly in one basket or the other. Humans don't biologically change to amoral creatures when they pull into the office parking lot (despite theories to the contrary or attempts to encourage it), nor are they absolved of human responsibility when doing things for which they are paid.

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michaeltyesterday at 10:01 PM

> there is basically no incentive for them to fight the summons

Ehhh, seems to me a cloud provider that wants to back up my documents, communications, photos, passkeys etc has a very strong business case for ensuring the data is as safe with them as they would be in my own home.

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