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BonerWieneryesterday at 9:02 PM4 repliesview on HN

> But that could have been prevented if the EU did not have an open-doors migration policy to start with. And to have listened to the people on other issues too.

I believe there are more nuances to this, then simply blaming it on immigration policies. There are a lot of variables in place for why far right movements are and have been on the rise in the EU. And I certainly believe the issues could've been handled better by each member state.

Yes, immigration is a serious problem. Especially if member States doesn't increase budgets for handling said immigrants.

After all, why does immigration even happen in the first place? Aren't we as a western society responsible for the destruction and destabiliztion of the eastern countries?


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vladmsyesterday at 9:25 PM

To be honest immigration happened forever because people look for a better place to live. The able, hard working and entrepreneurial ones bring a lot to the countries they immigrate to. So, I do not see immigration as "a problem".

Additionally Europe's natality is not great, it needs people working. So many enterprises in Europe are happy with that.

Why is immigration presented as a problem? Because it is easy, does not affect directly any potential voter (I mean, if you say "rich are to blame", around half of the voters will not vote you, if you say "the poor are to blame" the other half will not vote you, but immigrants? No problem they generally don't vote) and because Europe has a tradition to seeing itself "above others". So if there are problems and you see dark people around, must be there fault, no? I really think they are (many) people that think like that (and I also met a couple)...

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PorciiVorbesctoday at 12:31 AM

>Especially if member States doesn't increase budgets for handling said immigrants

You don't need more budget for migrants, but less budgets for migrants, removing the welfare incentive so they stop coming.

Just be Like Singapore. They don't have a migration problem. It is really that simple. Stop funding NGOs that treat your welfare state like a charity for the entire planet to come and feast one. This is not part of the social contract of the welfare state, nor is it economically sustainable long term.

>Aren't we as a western society responsible for the destruction and destabiliztion of the eastern countries?

Who is this "WE" here? My and many countries in the EU didn't do anything to destabilize the word stage so don't try to pin this "original sin" on me and us. If some EU nations have some guilt they wish to wash due to their colonial past, it should be their consequences alone, but please don't drag everyone down with your sucidian empathy because this is how you guarantee the rise of the far right and how you destroy Europe.

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hardlianotionyesterday at 10:59 PM

> Aren't we as a western society responsible for the destruction and destabiliztion of the eastern countries?

How far do you want to go back?

ronsoryesterday at 9:07 PM

I don't think Spain or Sweden are very responsible for most of the Middle Eastern woes. If anything, blame the US.