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jandrewrogerstoday at 5:40 AM2 repliesview on HN

As someone who lived much of their life in real poverty, you can live a pretty decent life on $50k in most of the US. Yeah, you won’t be posting your vacations on Instagram but who cares. Many people live a decent life within these income constraints. There is an enormous amount of government subsidies if you are this poor.

Don’t exaggerate what is required for a decent quality of life in America. It doesn’t benefit anyone.


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blackqueerirohtoday at 5:55 AM

That’s not a decent quality of life. I know you may feel differently and find it hard to think about it objectively because you lived it, but you had a poor quality of life. It’s great that you’re doing well and you made it through, but don’t romanticize it.

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ElProlactintoday at 5:55 AM

> ...you can live a pretty decent life on $50k in most of the US.

Where? And what's the size of the household?

It's one thing to make $50,000/year as a single young person sharing an apartment with 2 other people. It's another to be a family of 4.

> Don’t exaggerate what is required for a decent quality of life in America. It doesn’t benefit anyone.

"Decent" is subjective, but we can look at hard numbers.

After taxes, $50,000 will be somewhere between $39,000 and $42,000 in much of the US. That's $3,250 to $3,500/month. The median rental price of a 1 bedroom apartment in the US is about $1,500. A 2 bedroom is somewhere around or north of $1,800. That means the median 1 bedroom apartment already eats up almost 50% of your after-tax income at the lower end.

According to BLS, the average spend on groceries in the US is now over $500/month. The average cost of a used car in the US is now over $25,000. A set of new tires will run you $400 to over $1,000. The average cell phone bill is $140/month.

Do I need to keep going?

Numerous studies show that over half of Americans are living paycheck-to-paycheck and almost three-quarters of middle income earners say their wages aren't keeping up with the cost of living.

What doesn't benefit anyone is to pretend that tons of people aren't struggling.

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