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trvztoday at 12:30 PM15 repliesview on HN

As a European: I don’t care where an open weight model comes from.


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wccrawfordtoday at 1:09 PM

As a non-European, I care. I definitely want choice in this matter, as too many things can be baked into models that we can't really know until it comes up.

For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it. That's major, and can influence a lot more than just asking it for that particular history lesson.

I don't want just 1 LLM. I want a great LLM from every major region. I will probably still prefer my own region, but I still want the others to be an option.

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espadrinetoday at 12:33 PM

As a European, I do. I don’t envy the state that has to buy all its water and food from its aggressive, militarized neighbour.

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RamblingCTOtoday at 12:32 PM

As a European: I do, because I'm not oblivious to geopolitics or digital sovereignty.

I_am_tiberiustoday at 1:08 PM

I hope you're aware that it's likley in the future open weight models will output tokens/commands that aren't in your interest. It could be that models are trained with spionage in mind and models could only target specific input token patterns, time zones, ip addresses, names etc... You will be able to see the output tokens but things will become so complex that you won't notice its intentions. Maybe there will be some sort of output token scanning software/llm (let's call it a modern form of a virus scanner) that validates intentions. In the end, I'm just trying to say that open weight means you have a black box in front of you that you don't know what it does. Therefore, the training material of open weight models should be known. While it doesn't matter where the model comes from, it certainly matters whether you trust those people if you don't have the training material.

jo909today at 12:58 PM

The problem is always the next model, or the one after. If china thinks it's beneficial to stop open weight releases, it will stop them. Then you are stranded on that one and no local industry to produce new models for you.

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jooops1today at 12:38 PM

I do care, because those models can contain backdoors and 'open weight' models can require specialized hardware to run in the future.

bilekastoday at 1:09 PM

It's more important to have ownership into them, they're turning into powerfull tools that we have already seen cut off in the private sector on a whim. Having our own that is comparable (this is a nice first step) is better than Alibaba for example just not releasing the rest.

As with all of the EU's dependancies on Tech with the US, the idea of "I don't care where my DNS servers are" is starting to be an oversight.

But thanks for your opinion.

niccetoday at 12:54 PM

Issue is that it is extremely hard to notice if there is backdoor or some training-related hallucinations that are completely random.

E.g. I had random, completely unrelated and irrelevant fetch by Qwen3.8 27B to " https://routify-file-proxy-sg.oss-ap-southeast-1.aliyuncs.co..." and I only noticed it because I have allowlist rules for what they can do.

pbkompasztoday at 1:22 PM

If these things replace search engines, you definitely don't want that technology to originate from China or other country where "truth" comes from Dear Leader

username_my1today at 1:54 PM

yeah digital infrastructure is more achievable, more important and can produce revenue more reliably compared to AI.

if sovereignty is the goal, drop Microsoft, aws and adapt / develop open source / EU alternative.

once serious progress is made there, more resources can be redirected into AI after all it's already too late to join the race.

ameliustoday at 1:26 PM

What if you use the model to write children's stories and it starts regurgitating Mein Kampf?

Having some knowledge about the training data is useful.

Marciplantoday at 12:35 PM

As a European: I do.

antmantoday at 12:39 PM

Except if it stops coming from anywhere.

VeejayRampaytoday at 1:49 PM

you should care

not being technically independent means you'll end up being a serf when American or Chinese companies decide that you don't have access anymore for geopolitical reasons

vrganjtoday at 12:42 PM

That's a very limiting view of things. A model, even an open weight one, is never neutral, it is an encoding of a way of viewing the world.

What kind of "alignment" are AI labs optimizing for? Ideological alignment is the full term, self-censored into something more technological-sounding.

Every model has people behind it rating what it should and shouldn't say. Every time you ask a model and trust its answer, you become ever-so-slightly ideologically indoctrinated.

I don't want my model to reflect the views of American oligarchs or Chinese cadres. I want European values of enlightenment and humanitarianism to be the default.

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