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Aging Brains Blend Memories Together Instead of Just Forgetting Them

65 pointsby mdp2021today at 12:59 PM22 commentsview on HN

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HarHarVeryFunnytoday at 3:40 PM

I wonder how much of this is directly related to age, and how much is just someone's brain becoming "full" due to more memories getting added every year?

It seems that memories must be stored as embeddings with single multi-neuron assemblies (cortical columns?) storing multiple embeddings as a kind of contents-addressable memory that is able to keep memories distinct due to the very high dimensional space (# neurons per assembly) being used. However, you'd expect that at some point if you store too many memories in a single assembly the recall accuracy is going to go down.

You'd expect that with big brains being so costly, evolution has only equipped us with brains big enough to store a lifetime of memories, so it would be odd if memory didn't suffer as we get old.

To make a computer analogy, it's a bit like a hash table getting too full. Say you had a hash table without any overflow mechanism... up to a point recall may still be pretty good, but as the table gets closer to full there will be more hash collisions and likelyhood of "false recall". Obviously the brain is not a computer, but the analogy may hold up reasonably well if you consider the hash table keys and values as embeddings and the store operation being an embedding merge rather than overwrite.

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petreradutoday at 2:27 PM

The paper certainly has its limitations. Only 61 participants, with almost nobody between 30 and 50, so we shouldn’t read the age trend as a decline across lifespan. What’s more interesting than the title suggests (and I find the title forcing the conclusion a bit) is that the attention measures were not linked to age or the brain patterns at all.

Then again, i'm 45 and I've been losing my keys and my IDs since I was 20

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snarfytoday at 2:35 PM

My dreams imprint stronger than reality. This has the unfortunate effect of sometimes recalling memories as real, when in fact it was all a dream.

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leedrake5today at 2:46 PM

Compacting ———-~~~~~~~ 40%

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dan-baileytoday at 2:06 PM

This comes as absolutely no surprise to me -- my mother was recently transferred into memory care, and the changes to her memories are definitely showing some interesting changes. The foremost was that her new "apartment" is shared with one other person, gives off a bit of a dorm room vibe. First day, she was talking about how excited she was to be going back to school and seeing her boyfriends again(?!). I said, "Oh, like Doug? [my dad]". Her response? "Ew. No."

But, she's come around on that, and recently been upset about the affair he's been having (they divorced in 1980), and is irate over him having another kid with his new wife (1983), but isn't surprised that I haven't spoken to him in 12 years. She's never surprised at how I've aged, but doesn't remember her grandkids even exist and insists on meeting them soon (but remembers them when she sees them). Two weeks ago, she called to yell at me for things I did in high school (1990). At this point, I seem to be the anchor for everything recent, but when I'm not around physically, it's scattered everywhere else.

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xnxtoday at 2:06 PM

It's interesting to compare and contrast LLMs and biological brains. Both use a form of "compaction".

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PierceJoytoday at 2:05 PM

/compact

enragebaittoday at 1:24 PM

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Madmallardtoday at 3:07 PM

This a covert op to buttress LLM support by planting this article and having people say it's just like compacting. The hype is getting more elaborate.