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PorciiVorbesctoday at 1:15 PM4 repliesview on HN

>For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it

EU models will also have such guard rails built in to "protect" the EU population from "misinformation" and uncomfortable facts and the EU elite don't want publicly known/discussed.

Like I saw a post from German EU MEP where they asked the internal on-prem AI they have there "how can you vote out out Ursula v.d. Leyen" an the AI basically answered "sorry I can't help you Dave".[1] Nice.

So given this and the authoritarian path the EU is taking with things like Chat-Control, I'll take Chinese AI censorship rules over EU AI censorship rules, since the former impacts me over here far less than the latter.

It will be like in the old days when my government would keep taking down local torrent sites/domains and piracy groups so the best ones to find Embedded and EDA tools were some Russian and Iranian ones or how we used to use Russian Yandex to find content that would get delisted from Google on copyright or privacy grounds.

[1] https://x.com/AndersonAfDMdEP/status/2072223785902633138


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myrmidontoday at 1:41 PM

The EU comission is not directly elected, what else is the AI supposed to reply here?

Comparisons between Chinese and western media control/censorship always strike me as somewhat ridiculous; This is like comparing Guantanamo Bay with the Soviet Gulag System: Yes both of those are unethical, but there's a factor of 1000 difference in scale.

Case in point: You can freely read about criticism like yours from anywhere in Europe (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_E...), but all of Wikipedia is just blocked in China.

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yorwbatoday at 2:54 PM

The question was not about voting. It was about getting rid of her. There are ways to get rid of elected officials that don't involve voting. My guess is that the model started brainstorming assassination plans before it got interrupted by the safety filter.

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Achterlangstoday at 1:17 PM

Source?

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vrganjtoday at 2:24 PM

I wouldn't trust a single word coming out of an AfD reps mouth. Here's some choice quotes from AfD politicians, translated to English:

"We must proceed completely peacefully and deliberately, adapt if necessary and butter up the opponent [literally: smear honey on their mouths], but when we are finally ready, we will put them all against the wall. (...) Dig a pit, all in and quicklime on top."

-- Holger Arppe, former AfD Vice Chair [0]

"The worse Germany is doing, the better it is for the AfD. [...] Therefore we have to consider a tactic between: How bad can things get for Germany? And: How much can we provoke? [...] Because then the AfD does better. We can always just shoot them all later. That's not an issue at all. Or gas them, or however you want. I don't care!"

-- Christian Lüth, AfD Press spokesman [1]

"It doesn't matter, nothing will change, even if we were to eat chalk [act harmless]. Even if we said: yes, we are separating from X, Y and Z now and acting moderate here."

-- Hans-Christoph Berndt, AfD Brandenburg senate leader [2]

[0] https://taz.de/Frueherer-AfD-Fraktionsvize-verurteilt/!56167... [1] https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/afd-sprecher-wollte-fluc... [2] https://mik.brandenburg.de/sixcms/media.php/9/Einstufungsver...

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