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mschuster91today at 2:11 PM3 repliesview on HN

At idle, it doesn't take that much fuel to keep the engine alive. Idle stops are more important for noise abatement and local toxic exhaust gas emissions - a lot of exhaust gas treatment depends on the exhaust gas having a minimum amount of thermal energy.

The downsides of idle stops are, however, that they tend to put a lot of load on the engine, especially from the lack of oil pressure at the very few first strokes [1], and that the low temperature deposits all kinds of gunk in the exhaust pipework instead of transporting it outwards.

If you run an engine with idle stop, it really really is important to properly take care of the engine, including preventative maintenance and regular oil changes.

[1] That is even more of an issue in large engine blocks, hence that high pitched noise you hear from ships and locomotives for a while before they start up - that is an ancilliary oil pump, priming the entire oil pipework until all air is gone and full oil pressure is present at all ports in the system.


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SoftTalkertoday at 3:51 PM

Yeah I disable idle stop on my cars, for exactly those reasons. If I'm going to be stopped for more than a minute or two, I'll let the engine idle so that temperatures can normalize, then shut it off manually.

Back when turbochargers became common on passenger cars, there was even advice to be sure you let the engine idle for a minute or two before shutting it off, so that the turbocharger could cool. Otherwise the oil in the turbocharger would get baked into a goo. Modern synthetic oils, and turbochargers, handle this better today but I still like to give any hot spots a chance to cool off.

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enragedcactitoday at 4:18 PM

> The downsides of idle stops are, however, that they tend to put a lot of load on the engine

While I don't doubt that it seems like this is essentially a solved issue. Priuses are some of the most reliable, long-lasting cars out there despite experiencing considerably more start-stop cycles than a traditional ICE with start-stop would.

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dragontamertoday at 3:30 PM

Unless you have a hybrid vehicle, like the Prius. Which basically switches to electric during idle stops and barely has any downside.