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aliasxneotoday at 5:53 PM9 repliesview on HN

I've been in an interesting spot the last few months. I've pitched probably two dozen or so VCs and, and while almost every case showed interest, it was quickly followed by "rules" and "desires" that were antithetical to the product.

The product I am building is a decentralized trust system. The word "trust" is literally in the name. It requires very specific decisions and a very specific organizational and legal structure to be successful. Why? Because anything else doesn't breed trust.

But that's actually the problem. The VCs don't like those things, because in almost every case it relinquishes their control/power. Or, they ask us to do something either questionably or blatantly unethical in order to sweeten the pot. I was one of those founders "unaware of the Cancer Capital situation." After six months of pitching, it's become extremely obvious to me that the current VC system is incapable of funding anything ethical or long-term.

I don't know what the right answer is from here. Our current attempt is founding a syndicate of like-minded individuals to bootstrap a pre-seed. It seems like the only possibility where you might be able to maintain an ethical vision without fighting a cancerous overlord. We'll see how it goes.


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keedatoday at 7:51 PM

I think the problem is that decentralization is almost by definition antithetical to the ability to capitalize on something. As you indicated, decentralization means diffusion of control and power, which are essential to capitalize on that thing. Why would a VC or any capitalist invest money if they cannot see a way to earn back multiples?

Sure you could make some money, but nowhere near the monopoly profits everyone is seeking. A decentralized Google would never be as profitable as a centralized one, so where would a capitalist prefer putting their money?

IMO this is also why decentralized systems or peer-to-peer applications never really caught on. Some point to technical challenges or usability issues or a lack of use-cases, but I believe all of those could have been overcome with enough investment. There just wasn't enough money in them compared to centralization. (It didn't help that the only really popular systems were almost entirely used for illegal or unproductive purposes.)

And these dynamics over time are what have led to the asymmetric Internet today. The Internet was supposed to be equal, with each node capable of being a client and a server and, heck, even a router. But that's clearly not what we have today: networks hostile to P2P connectivity, increasingly powerful centralized services, and decreasingly capable end-user devices.

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r_leetoday at 6:29 PM

I'm not saying the VC scene is great, but I mean what's in this for them?

stonlybtoday at 9:49 PM

Not sure how practical for your startup, but how much of the next 18 months can you fund in ways that don't create equity (or implied equity) overlords? Can design-partners prepay? Can you get paid pilots, deposits, a grant?

PaulRobinsontoday at 6:43 PM

Yeah, you need to look away from private equity investment. Mutuals, co-ops, LLPs, there's lots of other models, but VC and PE money is not where you want to be.

ericdtoday at 6:19 PM

Well, is there a clear route to being a >$10B business? If not, it's probably not a good match for VC. But that's OK.

carlosjobimtoday at 9:23 PM

It hasn't occurred to you that your idea might not stand on its own? If your product was amazing, serious and highly ethical investors would throw themselves over each other to invest with you. There are many such investors, but they have strict requirements on what they invest in as well.

You don't have any God given right to other people's money for high risk ventures. Neither does anybody else. But it's easy to blame "the system" when things don't go our way.

lorepieritoday at 6:27 PM

I'd be interested to hear how it goes.

shimmantoday at 7:43 PM

Are you able to say the product you're working on? It sounds really interesting.

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xysttoday at 6:23 PM

Unfortunately your product doesn’t fit into Peter Thiel’s "vision" of the world.