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matherialtoday at 9:23 PM4 repliesview on HN

It's pretty close to how we measure IQ. The standard test is basically a series of puzzles.

I know there's a lot of people who complain that we're moving goalposts, but I think that the progress in LLMs really just shows that we don't know how to really measure intelligence in the first place, if we understand it as "human-like agency / ingenuity / adaptability". For decades, we saw the Turing test as the proxy for AGI, but then early LLMs could easily pass for a human in a casual conversation while clearly not matching human performance on most other tasks.

Since then, every benchmark we come up with, it turns out that an LLM can be fine-tuned to solve it while still clearly lacking something. They make very non-human mistakes, are easily tricked because they have a pretty tenuous grasp of reality, etc. But I think this just shows that AGI is a meaningless marketing term. We could as well be arguing if they have souls.


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pavlovtoday at 9:31 PM

When I was 18, my high school girlfriend took me to the local Mensa chapter’s New Year’s party because her mother was a member and she was used to hanging out there.

It was a useful lesson that whatever IQ tests measure, it is completely devoid of value or interest to me.

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tintortoday at 9:53 PM

Pure software benchmarks might be getting saturated, but physical ones aren't.

Let LLM control a physical robot to perform tasks that average human can do.

skybriantoday at 10:01 PM

Nit: Turing’s actual imitation game is a party game (like Werewolf/Mafia) and nobody’s even trying to win at that. The LLM’s will just tell you they’re an AI.

ranyumetoday at 9:50 PM

I don't think IQ is a good measure for intelligence at all. Neither dolphins or octopuses can solve IQ tests.

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