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San Francisco institution 'heartbroken and furious' after erasure of public art

34 pointsby mikhaellast Monday at 5:19 PM38 commentsview on HN

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tqitoday at 7:28 PM

> “We’ve tried to approach what happened assuming there was no ill intent,” Torres of CAMP wrote in the Thursday letter. “Still, after nearly 35 years of stewarding this alley, we have to ask: How does the erasure of four longstanding community murals happen without any communication with CAMP or the artists involved?”

Feels like the most plausible explanation of what happened is the property owners got a blight citation[1] for graffiti on some other part of the building, and either misunderstood or miscommunicated to their employee what was supposed to be removed. I don't know why everyone is jumping to either "the owners are assholes" or "the owners get to do what they want it's their property."

[1] https://sfpublicworks.org/index.php/services/community-prese...

NelsonMinartoday at 7:28 PM

Clarion Alley is totally worth a visit when you're in San Francisco. It's right in the middle of the Mission near a bunch of great places to eat and drink. Balmy Alley is a 10 minute walk away and another great street art gallery.

Clarion Alley Mural Project does great work maintaining Clarion Alley. (Including relations with property owners - this problem is an anomaly, there's been art there successfully for over 30 years.) Also worth knowing about Precita Eyes, a local community organization that manages murals in a lot of the city.

devindotcomtoday at 6:52 PM

it's pretty sad reading the comments in this thread. one senses both the cause and the result of SF's declining cultural relevance.

magicalhippotoday at 6:22 PM

Public art painted on someone's property. No mention of what kind of arrangement they had with the propery owner when they painted it.

ButlerianJihadtoday at 7:30 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_art

  Common characteristics of public art are public accessibility, public realm placement, community involvement, public process (including public funding); these works can be permanent or temporary.

  Independent art created or staged in or near the public realm (for example, graffiti, street art) lacks official or tangible public sanction has not been recognized as part of the public art genre,[8] however the popularity of some street artists have led to this notion being reconsidered by many.[9][10] Such unofficial artwork may exist on private or public property immediately adjacent to the public realm, or in natural settings but, however ubiquitous,[11][12] it sometimes falls outside the definition of public art by its absence of public process or public sanction as "bona fide" public art.[1]
ermirtoday at 7:04 PM

Quite a shame to lose art like this, but without a process to preserve, display, and maintain such artwork, (like a museum is equipped to do), this kind of destruction is inevitable. At the very least we can be grateful for all the years it was available, but such is the way of all things, nothing lasts forever, and I think the story of the end of such works of art is also part of the artwork as well.

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diogenescynictoday at 7:25 PM

The property is owned by Makras Real Estate a notorious slumlord who has been convicted of fraud. They don't respect their tenants, they're surely not going to respect public art.

ohthehumanitytoday at 7:00 PM

“We graffiti people’s walls”

”Cool!”

“So do we”

”NooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!”

dreamcompilertoday at 7:03 PM

It seems like public art is always in danger of being erased when it's nobody's official job to protect it.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/jun/08/dallas-fifa...

Henchman21today at 6:23 PM

There's a never ending supply of douchebags in this world. Such a shame.

slipperybelugatoday at 6:31 PM

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chabestoday at 6:58 PM

Murals are a part of nearly every city in the world.

Comments about “private property” show a lack of cultural awareness. Such a shame.

ecshafertoday at 6:42 PM

> How does the erasure of four longstanding community murals happen without any communication with CAMP or the artists involved?”

Private Property is how. People don't own other people's property for abstract reasons like they joined a club that once painted graffiti on walls.

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