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DHS 'Predictive Policing' Unit Is Analyzing Americans' Financial Habits

141 pointsby abrahamtoday at 2:40 PM44 commentsview on HN

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scarecrowbobtoday at 3:51 PM

I understand that folks here think that the general anti-AI sentiments that can be found in some of US culture are often misguided.

It's likely projection on my part but I have a deep suspicion that people understand that mass surveillance by the state is the main use case for all these LLMs, camera systems, and increasing large data centers.

That certainly is my own worry, at least.

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m4ck_today at 4:13 PM

I get the vibe they're using ALPRs to identify drivers, and then going from there to find crime? Seems like criminal investigations should start with an actual crime. At the minimum, I would think that there would need to be some suspicion of criminal involvement to obtain a warrant to get financial records. Apparently this administration considers driving down the interstate suspicious enough to toss the constitution out the window.

someothherguyytoday at 3:28 PM

> Putting one of those participant’s phone numbers into WhatsApp reveals a profile picture of a law enforcement patch. A pawn with wings sits in the center, surrounded by lightning bolts. The patch reads, “Laredo Sector Tech Ops PITT,” indicating there is also a Predictive Intelligence Targeting Team in the Laredo Sector.

https://www.aviatorgear.com/p-52057-laredo-sector-tech-ops-p...

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Triphibiantoday at 4:09 PM

This tells me you should always pay cash if you are having a beer.

sfdlkj3jk342atoday at 3:36 PM

And that's why need to keep using cash and non-KYC'd crypto.

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polskibustoday at 3:32 PM

Minority Report anyone?

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lbritotoday at 3:35 PM

This comes straight out of Shoshana Zuboff's Surveillance Capitalism book. If you haven't: read it.

clumsysmurftoday at 4:05 PM

> The DHS document obtained by 404 Media shows that Border Patrol is analyzing the financial activity of Americans to find people to pull over...

> It is not clear how exactly Border Patrol is monitoring Americans’ financial activity.

Can anyone take a guess how they are monitoring financial activity?

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politiciantoday at 4:25 PM

Another headline to trigger the comrades.

Do you not realize that all countries monitor capital movement so that, for example, the rulings of their judiciaries are enforced?

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Havoctoday at 4:01 PM

One more reason the bail on the Visa/MC network asap

carpe171today at 3:39 PM

palantir?

madaxe_againtoday at 3:57 PM

I live in Europe.

I’ve been under investigation for money laundering twice in the last three years - not because I’ve laundered a single dime, but because I have no discernible employment and move large capital sums around the globe almost constantly, and my bank accounts and tax returns inarguably look fucking weird. All 100% above board - I just made some good investments a while back.

I even had the feds come knocking because they decided they needed to check I wasn’t trafficking narcotics. We had a nice chat, they decided they didn’t need to search the place, and six months later I got a letter confirming the case had been archived. Like one of the folks in the article, I had weed on me when they rocked up. Thankfully, in Europe, that’s basically just a “shrug” by law enforcement, unless you’ve got clear intent to distribute. From how it all went, they had quite clearly decided this was a waste of their fucking time before they even arrived.

None of this is a good thing, and none of it is terribly new, either - reporting on finances has been going on for decades, but the integration is getting tighter.

The main problem as I see it is that it has a horrendous false positive rate, and you end up with innocent folks like yours truly having to waste their time and energy proving that they are innocent of a crime that a machine dreamt up.

tiahuratoday at 4:16 PM

FUD - the article literally says they don’t where the data came from.

righthandtoday at 3:54 PM

No one who works for DHS or with them deserves your respect. Fuck these coward officers and their disrespect for The Constitution, the 4th amendment and people’s overall rights. I hope something tragic happens to them.

Deny, Defund, Depose the federal terrorist groups: DHS, ICE, CBP, PITT etc.

cucumber3732842today at 3:34 PM

I remember back in ye olde dark ages when "big data" was the hot buzzword people of a certain bent couldn't get enough of this kind of stuff. Everyone was jacking off nonstop to the idea that we could just hoover up everyone's data ad then "efficiently" or "proactively" dispatch enforcement resources. People talked all sorts of big talk about stuff like cross referencing people's Home Depot spend with permit requirements, identifying small businesses that don't have healthy enough financials to be fully compliant, cross referencing invoices and delivery receipts to identify overloaded trucks, and generally finding all sorts of ways to fine the crap out of people for the pettiest of petty deviance. They considered this a noble goal.

Everyone's head was too far up their asses to look at the magic crystal ball called "history" and realize that such systems and tactics would be used to go after <checks notes> weed dealers and brown people.

Be careful what you wish for I guess.

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buellerbuellertoday at 3:16 PM

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