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jonplacketttoday at 5:35 PM3 repliesview on HN

How is this not a gigantic fine from the EU for some kind of GDPR reason


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rickdeckardtoday at 6:10 PM

> How is this not a gigantic fine from the EU for some kind of GDPR reason

The underlying "research" is unfortunately not that clean, but I'd say for two reasons:

1. Because looking at the LG ToS alone, it seems that the devices do MUCH more data-collecting outside Europe

2. GDPR is covering your personal information (WHO you are) and personal identifiable information (data that can be used to infer WHO you are). In a nutshell: If a device (a TV, a phone, a car, a Smart Home device, whatever) collects information to PROFILE you, without collecting data about WHO you are, they are not violating your privacy. The company needs to be VERY careful about not accidentally collecting identifiable information, but as long as this doesn't happen, it's within GDPR.

That said, a proper technical write-up of the issues found, with an investigation by a professional journalist would be very helpful to get things going, put proper pressure where it needs to be and dismantle this Ad network business-model of all those TV-manufacturers (Samsung Ads, LG Ads, TCL Ads, Hisense Ads,...)

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qwytwtoday at 5:42 PM

Because it's technically opt-in. And AFAIK the the checkbox is more explicit in Europe and they probably do a bit ore to comply with GDPR. US is a free for all mostly when it comes to abusing consumers through contrived and unfair ToS agreements.

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microtonaltoday at 6:21 PM

I am not sure about other products. But I have noticed that Samsung phones started putting most toggles off by default (toggles for collecting data). So the GDPR slowly seems to have some effect on different products.

(A few years ago, you definitely had to opt out of data collection.)