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hatthewtoday at 9:34 PM1 replyview on HN

I feel like this whole thing hinges on one point. OAI says[0]:

> However, our proofs differ significantly and even the precise results proved are different in the Euler case (forced vs unforced).

How true is this?

If the implied statement is true (i.e. OAI couldn't have stolen results because the results were so different anyways), then I feel like it's pretty clear that OAI solved the problem on their own, and offering some amount of credit to Tristan and Levent is generous. Though on the other hand it's dirty to have even attempted a scoop in the first place.

If the implied statement is false, and Tristan/Levent's results are a substantial portion of the solution to the millennium problem, then it's probably unintentional but clear plagiarism. I think it's plausible to assume that OAI has trained their models on Tristan's codex conversations, and so regardless of legal ownership, the academic ownership definitely includes Tristan and Levent.

The rest of the drama (individual statements and wordings, e.g. by Sebastien) seems like a bit of a red herring. Worth noting, but not worth basing conclusive judgements on regarding academic misconduct. Regardless, OAI does not seem like the good guys.

[0]: https://openai.com/index/navier-stokes-solution/


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Hansenqtoday at 9:38 PM

Agree! We have both published solutions now; someone (AI?) should be able to analyze their methods and see how similar they are

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