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Pannoniaetoday at 3:33 AM3 repliesview on HN

You're so close to getting it.

If you could somehow shelter people from the idea of ending it, you'd have created the torment nexus. People who do so usually do it because they see negative things coming up and they're too tired to continue. What you're advocating for is everyone to run an endless marathon where if you fall behind or stop, you'd get endlessly whipped to continue no matter how much your wounds are bleeding from it.


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Vishal_Maxtoday at 4:02 AM

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm advocating for. I'm not saying people should be forced to run an endless marathon regardless of how badly they're suffering. I'm saying that when someone is suffering that badly, we should help them rather than let suicide become the way they escape from it.

I'm not blaming people for the circumstances they're in or saying their suffering isn't real. I'm questioning the environment that teaches people what to do when they reach that point. Different people go through incredibly difficult situations and develop different ways of coping. My point is that ending your life shouldn't be one of those ways.

If someone is so exhausted that they feel they can't continue, the answer should be to help them, change their circumstances where possible, and help them find another way through it. Otherwise, what is the point of helping someone who is suicidal in the first place?

The goal isn't to force people to keep suffering. The goal is to help them stop suffering without ending their life.

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epestrtoday at 4:17 AM

Torment run would be becoming a masochist to cope. The comment likely refers to the ability in being able to identify the alternatives, and being flexible.

Torment run would be slogging under the student's adviser, the other option being reporting him, or switching advisers, or any other option life presents.

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someguynamedqtoday at 4:48 AM

No, and frankly this is a pro-suicidal framework of thinking.