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gwdtoday at 9:38 AM4 repliesview on HN

My understanding is that AlphaZero only really existed for a year or two; there's no objective way to compare it at the moment.

Leela Zero tried to open-source that work, but Stockfish incorporated a number of improvements from AlphaZero, including a neural network and a different search method, and consistently beats Leela Zero.

I have a book, "Game Changer", in which a chess expert calls out several instances where AlphaZero made moves surprising at the time; situations where all chess engines rated things one way and AlphaZero rated them differently. When I enter them into Stockfish now, it usually rates things more similarly to the way AlphaZero did, and often chooses the move chosen by AlphaZero.

The only real test of course would be to dig up AlphaZero and run it again; but I think based on the evidence we have, Stockfish of 2026 would probably trounce AlphaZero of 2018 with equivalent compute available.


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VulgarExigencytoday at 11:45 AM

Leela Chess Zero did surpass Stockfish for a while, until Stockfish switched its eval to NNUE. Modern Stockfish would annihilate AlphaZero.

dllutoday at 11:13 AM

The Stockfish NNUE is completely unrelated to AlphaZero.

kzrdudetoday at 10:59 AM

Isn't one problem that it's hard to determine what equivalent compute is, for CPU search vs a neural net based engine like AZ or Leela?

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sinuhe69today at 10:11 AM

I guess someone can twit Hassabis and ask him :D He certainly has access.

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