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boringgtoday at 12:57 PM6 repliesview on HN

Japan is so far ahead the rest of the world for quality and innovative heat pumps. Quiet, robust, high efficiency in cold climates. I wish they could bring the prices down though.

I worry in 15 years we will all have crapily made Chinese heat pumps for a fraction of the cost. Noisy, not robust, copying competitor designs not innovating, lower efficiency but easily replaceable. Theres probably an analogy here with software talent and AI but its too early to do that.


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PaulHouletoday at 1:05 PM

Not everything from China is crap.

I'm a big fan of Chinese lenses. I reach for Japanese and German lenses when I want to take the highest quality photographs that look like the photographs all the other photographers take. When I want to take a picture like you've never seen before I reach for

https://www.venuslens.net/product/laowa-9mm-f-5-6-ff-rl/?srs...

or

https://findingrange.com/2022/01/14/7artisans-photoelectric-...

It's true a $3000 lens from Sony has better optical quality than a $300 lens from China, like take a picture of a starry sky and you will see light rays bounce around a lot more inside the Chinese lens. But in terms of value and innovation Chinese lenses have a place, and many Chinese manufacturers are looking for this kind of opportunity for whatever they make.

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maxglutetoday at 1:52 PM

PRC's been white labelling / JV components for tier1 HVAC brands for 15 years now, they're fine quality/lifespan wise. Flagship PRC heatpump already caught up to JP in HSPF2 @ ~11 (GREE). Either way, more cheap commoditized heat pump = more installations = more aggregate global efficiency - every $ spend on JP premium is inefficient allocation of resources in terms of maximizing global energy savings.

Arguably, PRC price / value engineer is their innovation and by far more MORE important than vs minute efficiency differences. Ultimately it's about TCO and global adoption, if JP can't bring their prices down, if they can't fractionalize cost, then they're doing more harm than good for net transition - there's better things to with that 30-50% premium.

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WarmWashtoday at 1:50 PM

You can't be the worlds premier manufacturer for 30 years and not get really damn good at making stuff

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pbkompasztoday at 1:42 PM

This China craze won't last long. The Chinese PV export market crashed couple months ago(down 30% YoY), and it seems like their domestic auto market crashed too(down ~25% YoY since August).

wslhtoday at 1:46 PM

> crapily made Chinese heat pumps for a fraction of the cost

China is now at a stage of economic development where it can manufacture products across the entire quality spectrum.

Japan went through a somewhat similar transition: in the 1960s and 70s.