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mitxelatoday at 7:01 AM4 repliesview on HN

Kagi works by scraping Google and other engines, so this should still worry you.

I still support the use of Kagi though, as a market signal to Google that we'd even pay them for their product if it wasn't dogshit.


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athrowaway3ztoday at 7:39 AM

For Google, the business side of you paying them doesn't work out as obvious as it might seem.

Advertisers are sold the idea that 1000 clicks/impression is X dollars. The average impression might be priced at 1000/X$.

But you are worth much more than that for two reasons.

- you are a person willing to pay 5$

- Google can sell a “collectivized” product. The same way that eg collective farmer crop insurance creates actual value.

and the third reason (as consequence of the second) they dont want people to think about: it gives them more opportunity to fudge the value by making it all very complicated.

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MallocVoidstartoday at 11:32 AM

Kagi don't scrape, they pay other engines for API access: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...

>Our search results also include anonymized API calls to all major search result providers worldwide

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topatotoday at 8:42 AM

I’m pretty sure Kagi’s entire pitch is that they’re an alternate and original dataset. Theirs is the only search engine whose data isn’t based upon google or bing’s databases.

To anyone who didn’t find Kagi useful in the past, I strongly recommend you try it again, as they have made huge strides in usability and quality of surfaced data in just the past year…. Huge strides since even a few months ago too, with more adaptive curation, data labeling, and UI/UX

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