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werdnapkyesterday at 1:09 PM8 repliesview on HN

A lot of vehicle manufacturers don't even give you access to their repair/diagnostic software even if you want to pay.

Tesla for example lets you pay to access their diagnostic software, so why is John Deere the bad guy here?


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jchwyesterday at 1:12 PM

Oh that's simple. Both Tesla and John Deere are bad guys.

And yes. I am happy to expand that list to literally every other manufacturer you have in mind. They are all bad guys too. If manufacturers were altruistic good guys, they would need no regulation.

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nvme0n1p1yesterday at 1:36 PM

When I bought my current car, it came with an owners manual--for free!!

I can grab any data I want from the OBD port. The hardware was cheap, the software to use it is, again, free.

I'm not excited about this brave new world where you have to pay a subscription fee to plug a cable into a device you own and interact with it, and even less excited there are people here defending the idea.

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laughing_manyesterday at 8:35 PM

This is actually pretty widespread on newer models. There are cars for which you need a subscription costing thousands of dollars every year to put your parking brake into "maintenance mode", without which you can't fix your own brakes.

geoduck14yesterday at 2:10 PM

Like others have said: Tesla is the bath guy here. I'm pretty sure most people are focused on the other ways Tesla has been fing around that they just haven't gotten this far down the list.

Also, there's something special about tractors. Their owners (farmers) are both willing and capable of repairing tractors, in general, so John Deere is demonized for taking that ability away. Where as Tesla's owners are comfortable not changing their own oil, so "less" was taken away. (Yes, I know Tesla doesn't have engine oil, don't get hung up on that)

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DuncanCoffeeyesterday at 1:36 PM

Because in agriculture you are absolutely expecting to be able to repair stuff yourself.

I work on a project related to it and was absolutely surprised at how the company gave instructions to the clients to help them fix their machines (stuff I wouldn't be able to do myself).

Having a non-working machine can mean big $$ lost everyday.

RobotToasteryesterday at 1:21 PM

Real life isn't as simple as the one in fairy tales, there's usually more than one villain.

mplewisyesterday at 6:41 PM

Tesla is the bad guy too.

voxlyesterday at 1:31 PM

Whataboutism. Two evils are still evil.