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Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

231 pointsby u1hcw9nxtoday at 9:06 PM74 commentsview on HN

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redfloatplanetoday at 9:51 PM

A very neat problem and result. I often find myself swinging between "It's so over" and "We're so back" - some days I roll out of bed thinking I could have Claude solve some random unproven OEIS sequence before breakfast; other days, I wake up in a cold sweat worried about the fate of humanity and what the world might look like in a decade. I think it's that I don't have a very high p(doom) or p(utopia), and I don't really have any solid conviction on how this whole thing is going to go, so my vibe-o-meter jitters between 'fine' and 'not fine' constantly. It's just such an unpredictable moment. Anyways: really neat to see this use case. I myself recently used Claude to finally do an relatively exhaustive study of the location of heretofore-unlisted formal gardens in Ireland in the early 1800s and early 1900s, by having Claude write the tooling for me to manually annotate a few dozen on tiles of historic maps, and then running some CV model across the rest of the tiles using my input. I'd been planning to do this project for over a decade, but I could never find the time (or the enthusiasm) to learn all the details of how to do it myself. It took me a weekend with Claude and continues to bring me joy.

> Caveats, stated plainly. [from the Fable transcript pasted in the article]

I had a visceral reaction to these three words.

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MisterMunchkintoday at 10:02 PM

We found a cipher my dad had written as a child with no obvious key or anything. Chatgpt was able to crack it in 20 minutes and figure out the message, and we knew it was right because it mentioned names of children he went to school with.

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ameliustoday at 10:29 PM

> The answer was simple in hindsight. It just kept looking until it found it—and that persistence might show up in many other areas.

Sounds more like brute forcing than intelligence, this time.

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elahiehtoday at 10:22 PM

I presume what the author did was plug Klaus Schmeh's top 50 unsolved ciphers at https://scienceblogs.de/klausis-krypto-kolumne/the-top-50-un... into Fable 5.1 and ask Fable 5.1 to have a go. On this kind of problem it always falls back to Opus 5 anyway so I save time by starting with Opus.

The successor to Klaus's blog is Satoshi Tomokiyo's Cryptiana site, so a month ago I asked Opus 5 to scrape it all, rank them and have a go at solving some. It didn't get the ranking right. But I knew the Civil War Stager ciphers were ripe for solving, so I had it do those https://cryptiana.blogspot.com/2026/09/route-transposition-c...

The art of solving historical unsolved ciphers is knowing what is on the boundary of solvability. Since this site attracts so many OpenAI and Anthropic employees, I'll mention one that was featured by both Klaus and Satoshi in 2023, presumably Spanish transposition, which should be on that boundary but has resisted all attempts at solution https://cryptiana.blogspot.com/2023/09/a-telegram-from-switz...

Retr0idtoday at 9:49 PM

> I told it to look online at some of Fable’s strongest feats, especially the math problems it has solved, and that something like this should be easy in comparison.

Fascinating. I wonder if you could show "fake news" to a weaker model and get it to be more ambitious in its attempted solutions, even if it's not fundamentally any smarter.

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humbleharbingertoday at 9:51 PM

Putting all controversy aside - this is a refreshing use of a model. Models are going to be a boon in the hands of historians.

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vb-8448today at 10:18 PM

> Historically, many of these problems were bottlenecked by human attention. Someone had to care enough to spend hours or days reading obscure material, testing unpromising ideas, tracing references, and trying things that might go nowhere

I wonder how many of the recent results are due to the fact that very few looked at the problem to start with. Still great results, but the general impression is that it's more about the so many low-hanging fruits than the actual capability.

layer8today at 10:33 PM

One can wonder what Urquhart would have thought if he had learned who would be solving his cypher.

gdevenyitoday at 9:58 PM

Anyone pointed it at the Voynich manuscript?

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GranPCtoday at 10:34 PM

I am trying very hard to find an original version of this cipher with no luck. It almost sounds like this whole thing is a hallucination...? Can anyone point me to a PDF of the original Cyphral Distich as printed?

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Aboutplantstoday at 10:49 PM

Time to find out who Satoshi Nakamoto is

andy_ppptoday at 10:08 PM

I wonder if people are getting it to help with Krypyos the final part? Great documentary on this code… https://youtu.be/jVpsLMCIB0Y

aogailitoday at 10:12 PM

It is cool. But how do we know that nobody solved that problem before and it was somewhere in the training data? some blog, or some book or whatever?

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machomastertoday at 10:33 PM

I wonder, could current AI models solve the Zodiac killer code and how fast?

pluctoday at 10:09 PM

I'm surprised Anthropic didn't steal that announcement

altern8today at 10:37 PM

Still can't align my navbar buttons correctly

0pointstoday at 10:10 PM

AI made a zodiac-looking cipher for the headline image.

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ramesh31today at 9:52 PM

I was watching Shatner's "Unexplained" the other day on this topic, and it hit me; there are mountains of these old mysteries out there that could be solved in an afternoon now with frontier LLMs as soon as anyone took the time to bother. Exciting times.

Jun8today at 10:10 PM

Next up: Kryptos part 4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptos)

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yuvalkarmitoday at 10:03 PM

now THAT is cool!