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esafaktoday at 3:06 AM4 repliesview on HN

Alignment is the architectural solution. Make it so the model can't misbehave. Yet many people here deride it as tainting the model, claiming "Whose values is it aligned to?" Sandboxes are a last ditch layer. They fail, as we see.


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orbital-decaytoday at 5:43 AM

If it's not dangerous it's also not useful, simple as that. For example if you train a model for cybersecurity, it can be used for both attack and defense. And almost every use is like that. Alignment is fundamentally flawed as a concept, it's a pie in the sky. Let alone the perverse version of it by crazy AI "safety" people that in practice means "the model does what I want, only for the people I allow".

It's not possible to stop the model from misinterpreting the instructions either (the most lax interpretation of alignment) because the instructions are not formally specified. You have to train the "common sense" into it, which is subjective and all issues above apply to it.

root_axistoday at 5:04 AM

> Make it so the model can't misbehave

Not possible. They can chase the models with whack a mole tuning for obvious stuff, but there's always a way to extract what you want from the model.

startup_zombie_today at 4:11 AM

The “make it so the model can't misbehave” part is interesting. Maybe the goal isn't to make the model perfectly aligned, but to make misalignment have a very small blast radius. That feels like a more achievable engineering problem.

_vertigotoday at 3:50 AM

> Make it so the model can't misbehave.

How do you figure? I haven't met anyone who thinks that's possible. It seems clear to me that it is not possible.

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