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famouswafflestoday at 7:32 PM1 replyview on HN

>If they stop racing, the wave of open models will pass them and their inference margins will drop to zero.

1. ChatGPT's ~billion weekly active users aren't going to give a shit about some open source model, and neither would most of Anthropic's Enterprise cutomers.

2. Open AI and Anthropic are in a race between themselves, not open source model trainers. There's a reason those models are consistently several months behind and often perform much worse than benchmarks indicate. In the first place, they're only as close as they currently are from the distillation attacks on Anthropic and OpenAI. If they slowed down, they would slow down too.


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jlorentz1today at 7:55 PM

1. They absolutely would, eventually, if open models surpassed Ant & OAI's flagships. Keep in mind "surpassed" encompasses both output quality and cost-saving architecture innovations like DSA, which may not be possible to apply to old models (and may take advantage of new hardware!)

2. "They're only as close..." is not natural law. You really think open weights couldn't catch up to a fixed target if Beijing makes it a priority? And what happens to their valuations if they abandon the goal of building AGI? There is no strategic alternative to constant training for these companies, which is why they're, uh, constantly training.

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