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Frierentoday at 4:00 PM7 repliesview on HN

We need a new non-commercial version of the internet. Free of bots, free of ads, ... you pay to access social media optimized to be interesting enough to be worth paying instead of addictive enough to keep you scrolling to show you more ads.

It may look impossible right now. But what is impossible for real is to continue as we are. The damage that internet does to society is increasing by the day while its value is reduced (economic value, social value).


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godwinson__4-8today at 4:17 PM

> We need a new non-commercial version of the internet.

> you pay to access social media optimized to be interesting...

So is it commercial or non commercial?

Nothing is stopping you from creating a social network that is pay gated. Go build it. If you can't get anyone to sign up perhaps you'll realize it's not so easy as scapegoating addictive social media.

There is a whole cottage industry of people who legitimately make their living criticizing Facebook. It's a consumer software product. Yet few of these people seem to have their conviction extend to building an alternative that ever catches an audience. Why is that? Because addiction? Any other excuses?

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phoe-krktoday at 4:07 PM

> We need a new non-commercial version of the internet.

Except it's non-commercial, therefore valuable, therefore commercialized, therefore commercial.

You'd need a force strong enough to prevent it from falling prey to this tragedy of the commons, and that force would need to be stronger than the incentives to commercialize it. And that's where plenty of contemporary scraping-based salaries lay.

nijavetoday at 6:17 PM

Yeah but you lose anonymity unless you can devise a scheme to identify advertisers and bots separately from and without identifying real humans.

heavensteethtoday at 4:12 PM

That's this internet. Nothing precludes you from dropping big tech and solely engaging with the "indie web"[0][1] if you so choose. You're free to build your own website with its own RSS feed, join webrings[2] of like-minded people, and engage organically.

[0] One of many similar initiatives, I'm sure. Not an endorsement.

[1] https://indieweb.org/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webring

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9devtoday at 4:14 PM

Careful what you wish for. The ticket to entry will (have to) be a proof of identity, the ultimate nail in the coffin of privacy and anonymity on the web.Outside of that, chaos.

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immortalisttoday at 4:08 PM

Impossible to create

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toomuchtodotoday at 4:18 PM

AT Protocol and PDS’. BitTorrent to share and distribute bundles of data.