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hollerithtoday at 1:39 PM1 replyview on HN

>is QWEN a 4d chess game to replace capitalism with communism?

No. The Chinese labs pay much less to train their models because they distill Western models. Western labs can't do it that way because they'd immediately be sued.

To distill a model requires high-quality prompts (and responses). Here's how the Chinese labs get these prompts: when a user sends a prompt to www.kimi.ai, Kimi immediately forwards it to Claude or another leading US model (using a vast network of laundered subscriptions), waits for the response from Claude, then forwards that response to the user via www.kimi.ai. All the Chinese labs do this. Of course, they never inform the user that their conversation is being routed to a US model.

Beijing is angry at them because they did this indiscriminately without filtering out the conversations of high Chinese government officials and military officers, so now the US labs have those conversations, which contain information useful to US intelligence because the officials and officers assumed the conversations would remain inside China's borders and that the Chinese labs would care about confidentiality.

The Chinese labs release model weights under permissive licenses to get any attention and usage share at all for the model.


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jacquesmtoday at 2:20 PM

> The Chinese labs pay much less to train their models because they distill Western models.

That's nonsense.

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