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rahidztoday at 1:07 PM8 repliesview on HN

Man I remember back when a psychic conned me by solving the Navier-Stokes problem.

Also >July 4th, 2023


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trescenzitoday at 1:59 PM

LLMs can be supremely useful but also not intelligent. It might seem like a pointless distinction but the way we talk about these models matters because it impacts how we interact with and understand their outputs.

For example if there’s a strongly held belief that models are independent intelligent entities we’re more likely to lay blame upon them instead of their user. It’s important for the safety discussion too. If they are a new class of life then safety is going to focus on making sure they don’t do bad things. If we instead see them as statistical models we will instead try to make sure people don’t misuse them.

This distinction is even more important today when some of the most powerful people are looking to absolve their crimes by passing them off on their LLMs.

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krupantoday at 2:06 PM

The LLM did not solve it. It's not intelligent. Humans did, using a statistics-based computational tool (the LLM). We don't even know all the details of how the tool was used, we haven't been allowed to use the exact tool they used ourselves, we don't know much it really cost in dollars, energy, or time, etc. etc.

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Angosturatoday at 1:24 PM

But were you successfully conned into believing an AI had solved the Navier-Stokes problem?

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inopinatustoday at 1:47 PM

The more compelling inversion is whether the likes of John Nash, Richard Feynman, John Conway etc could’ve had a lucrative second career as conmen.

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lukewarm707today at 2:35 PM

this seems like non-sequitur if you mean that solving NS is 'intelligence'.

ai is not conscious. you can solve NS without thinking. the psychic con aspect is anthropomorphising the model. the same phenomenon is present in ELIZA, clever hans, the chinese room.

it's a significant problem.

a non-zero number of researchers at anthropic are in some form of ai psychosis. an example of that is ethics employees asking claude about its feelings and ethical concerns in order to make the claude constitution more amenable to the "welfare" of claude.

they are asking claude how claude feels and then modifying claude according to how claude feels.

constitution1-claude is trained on constitution1. constitution1-claude edits constitution1. constitution2-claude is trained on constitution2. constitution2-claude edits constitution2.

claude's emotions are a closed system. there is no external truth to improve against, no metric to verify about claude's emotions. there can be no novelty or reduction in entropy from signal processing in a closed system. no truth can arise. this is model collapse. it is like photocopying the same thing over and over. from the cognitive error of anthropomorphism anthropic is causing ethical collapse.

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rusktoday at 1:11 PM

Did an AI do that on its own though? I heard it was human mathematicians using a sophisticated machine as a tool.

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