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lwansbroughtoday at 8:55 PM5 repliesview on HN

Anyone else more excited about Chinese models than American models these days? Big thing for me is affordability.


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tacomagicktoday at 9:04 PM

Absolutely! Chinese models are both cheaper and more capable in many cases, compared to the American models and their makers continuously fumbling or reducing model capability with each update. Deepseek decreased costs when they released Flash 4.1 you would not see any American company do this, in reverse they would try charge you more.

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bellowsgulchtoday at 10:07 PM

Yes, an expensive American LLM has zero capabilities as far as I’m concerned because I’m never going to pay for it.

SyneRydertoday at 9:22 PM

Yep, I'm trending in that direction, and I'm someone with Claude stickers all over my laptop. My main app dev work is still going to Claude, but everything else is going to China even at API rates now.

One simple task: I needed an LLM to go through and clean up a few thousand page descriptions and titles in my personal search engine index, where the human web page authors had put in no effort sigh. I did a shoot out between Claude, Luna, GLM 5.3 Flash and Deepseek. Despite the high cost, Claude's descriptions were terrible, and even Opus warned me that the descriptions coming back from Haiku were "generalized, not accurate". I expected I would choose Luna because of price, and occasionally it did have wonderful descriptions (one captured emotion in a way no other model did). But in the end, the GLM 5.3 Flash descriptions were the easiest to read, they flow well while also being accurate & including necessary keywords, and being highly affordable. So it won out. It's a task that is nowhere near frontier, but a task where somehow China is better than frontier.

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verdvermtoday at 9:17 PM

I have a contrarian opinion that China passing America in Ai is the Sputnik moment we need to leave the hubris behind and get our mojo back

debatable if a turn around is possible before '29

swingandamisstoday at 8:58 PM

No, because I'd rather not support our economic and military rivals.

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