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cobbzilla • today at 3:53 PM • 1 reply • view on HN

Do you worry that if your worst enemies were in power, something that you or a friend might say would lead to an arrest?

Who decides what is hate speech? Apparently the current UK government has decided these things (among others) are so hateful their perpetrators must be arrested:

- private WhatsApp chats between friends

- standing still in public with hands folded in prayer

Be careful when you give sharp tools to the golem.


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Quarrelsome • today at 4:13 PM

> Do you worry that if your worst enemies were in power, something that you or a friend might say would lead to an arrest?

I don't appreciate this thin end of the wedge argument. Policy is more pragmatic. Read up on what most of mainland Europe had to do in order to suppress all the Hitler Youth children after the second world war. They oppressed their free speech and it was the right thing to do.

> Who decides what is hate speech?

The rules are there for everyone to read[0]. If you want a rule of thumb, don't discriminate based on any aspect of the Equalities Act 2010 and you'll be fine.

[0] https://www.cps.gov.uk/prosecution-guidance/racist-and-relig...

> standing still in public with hands folded in prayer

Don't whitewash this shit. You know full well what we're talking about is specifically going to a place that you know you're not allowed to be in, doing a protest you're not allowed to do. Playing with the line is still taking the piss and the UK believe in the spirit of the law to avoid all this mucking about with the specification. Otherwise I can block traffic all day and make up some bullshit excuse as to how I'm somehow innocent. These are feeble excuses that Palestine in Action would be proud of.

> private WhatsApp chats between friends

As far as I'm aware the only case of this being the primary cause of a conviction was when police officers were arrested for grossly offensive messages. However they weren't charged with hate speech but rather: improper use of a public electronic communications network. 12 weeks in jail. They were discovered because it was the same group chat that Wayne Couzens (also a police officer at the time) was in, who is currently serving a life sentence for the kidnap, rape and murder of Sarah Everard.

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