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sajithdilshan • last Friday at 2:25 PM • 6 replies • view on HN

It more due to the fact that the politicians are on a moral kow-it-all high horse than being pragmatic and putting national interest first. As an example all EU leaders absolutely refused to talk with Russia/Putin on putting an end to the war and they were hell bent on militarily defeating Russia. I remember the previous German Chancellor had a phone call with Putin to discuss it and everyone was shitting on him for doing that.

But now Trump is inviting Putin to G20 and I'm sure sure all those EU politician would be all smily and act like no war is going on and gladly talk with Putin. If you think about it the war could have ended years ago and all the Ukranian/Russian lives lost could have been avoided if EU leaders were not so arrogant.


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MobiusHorizons • last Friday at 2:43 PM

> If you think about it the war could have ended years ago and all the Ukranian/Russian lives lost could have been avoided if EU leaders were not so arrogant.

How exactly is Europe to blame for Russia continuing its war in Ukraine? Russia has clearly demonstrated a lack of interest in peace on any terms that could be acceptable to Ukraine.

brokencode • last Friday at 2:40 PM

How do you think the war could have ended? With Ukraine’s surrender?

Not such an easy thing to say if you’re the one facing that threat. Nobody wants their own country to be invaded and conquered.

And Russia would take that as a green light to keep on conquering other former Soviet states. Where do you draw the line?

HarHarVeryFunny • last Friday at 4:10 PM

> But now Trump is inviting Putin to G20 and I'm sure sure all those EU politician would be all smily and act like no war is going on and gladly talk with Putin

Putin is deathly afraid of being assassinated and is avoiding air travel in favor of trains, and has identical offices to film in at multiple locations to hide his location. There is no chance he is getting on a plane to Florida.

> If you think about it the war could have ended years ago and all the Ukranian/Russian lives lost could have been avoided if EU leaders were not so arrogant.

How so? By Europe rolling over and not supporting Ukraine?

bpodgursky • last Friday at 2:30 PM

Sorry this is a crazy interpretation of events.

Europe has 15x the GDP of Russia. If they were "hell bent" on militarily defeating Russia, they could have made even tiny sacrifices to the social welfare system, diverted industrial production to military aid, and drowned Ukraine in help. That was a very achievable goal, and they didn't do it.

Instead, the vacillated on importing US natural gas, continued shutting down nuclear power plants, and paid Russia MORE CASH FOR OIL than they ended up giving Ukraine in military aid! They did not in fact, dedicate themselves to this war in any way shape or form.

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HarHarVeryFunny • last Friday at 2:38 PM

The only way to stop Putin is with military force.

Europe is of course well aware that war with Russia seems increasingly inevitable, and have been preparing for it.

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kettleballroll • last Friday at 2:29 PM

That's a weird stance to take. If someone invaded a other territory next to yours and some of your unions members fear they're next, business as usual is the wrong strategy, imo

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