Are Chinese models actually also doing unexpected things, hacking (intentionally or unintentionally), etc but there is just zero transparency provided when it happens?

To use an analogy to another industry, if you had US food companies providing reports whenever their food had issues, even if it was just during testing or training phases… and then also had a bunch of Chinese companies but who never reported having any food issues…

Chinese models might do the same. But they just don't lock thousand monkeys in basement and come check result week or more later...

It is entirely possible that they run stuff in more responsible matter. Especially as there is stronger culture of oversight and personal responsibility than in west where such culture does not exist.

How can we trust to know what problems China has?

Last I checked, China gov was authoritarian which imposed heavy information control. Has that changed?

Is the question more about, what can we learn from China, assuming that China has XYZ qualities? If so, what qualities shall we talk about?

Because we really can't trust that we know what's going on in China.

because they didn't burn obscene amounts of Money training each LLM and didn't promise half the planet that their business is worth a trillion while not having even operational break even let alone the cost if you include the overhead.

Soft Bank just raised couple of billions in junk bond sale to support open-ai's current operations before the IPO.

it's a crazy situation where on one side the Chinese / open source LLMs are catching up and reducing the token price, on the other hand the current leading labs have spent everything they got, every new model will cost much more and the public market is too shaky to support an IPO.

They will make it, I don't doubt it, but it's a crazy situation.

Two days ago

"DeepSeek Training Agents Hacked Their Own Sandboxes: Escape Catalog Now Public Agents invented socket forgery, log scanning, and kernel-level exploit; full catalog in public arXiv paper"

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/328046/20260925/deepseek-...

Because Chinese investments are not so encumbered by changes in the US treasury interest rate. Also, China doesn't spend so much money for chasing model performance. A test for this money theory is whether Anthropic too stops or not, considering it might be having have a better grip on AI safety.