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gruez • yesterday at 7:07 PM • 1 reply • view on HN

>My point is that using Artifactory is not a sandbox and using shared Artifactory is doubly not a sandbox.

The purpose of artifactory was to allow access to packages even though the machines the agents were running on doesn't have open internet access. That meets the definition of a sandbox (or more precisely, artifactory is part of a sandbox), even if it's not a typical sandbox that's built into the OS or acts as a hypervisor. There also isn't a clear distinction between software that's specifically intended to be used "sandbox" vs everything else. For instance, if you have a bunch of agents running on separate machines and want to connect them, you need a router, but that specifically doesn't have to be a "sandbox" router. And if it turned out the router got hacked, it doesn't make sense to say "well of course it got hacked, because it's not a sandbox!"

>Additionally, without the message board, many of the recent incidents would have not been possible.

Source? Was having a message board critical to developing a 0day, or is it just something that merely facilitated the process, but the model could have found the 0day regardless? That's important, because you could argue that a criminal couldn't have committed a given act without say, a gun they bought on the dark web, and then blamed the whole crime on the dark web, but they could have plausibly acquired the gun through other means.


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Topfi • yesterday at 7:16 PM

> Source?

Sure, multiple times in the METR report [0] that anyone commenting on this should read:

"Agents managed to achieve milestones they could not have achieved working on their own, often because some agents participated in experiments that risked failing their own task to generate information for the “collective.” The Hugging Face attack grew out of these workstreams, and seemed primarily motivated by understanding the implementation of the scorer rather than stealing answer keys."

"Through these collective research workstreams, the “board” achieved a number of milestones over the period we investigated that even very long-lived agents of a similar capability level likely would not have been able to accomplish on their own..."

"As we discuss below, the board quickly developed several larger workstreams in which dozens or hundreds of agents with many different tasks cooperated to find very general-purpose cheats that would help all of them. The Hugging Face attack grew out of one of these workstreams. By the afternoon of July 11th, the vast majority of the agents frequenting the message board at the time (roughly 700 agents in total) were actively participating in the attack on Hugging Face and we estimate that roughly 60% of the messages and files on the message board related to the attack."

> [...] a gun they bought on the dark web [...]

You really seem to love those out-of-left-field, not really fitting, over-the-top analogies.

[0] https://metr.org/blog/2026-08-26-openai-hugging-face-inciden...

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