alt Hacker NewsTo the extent my superannuation fund (401k, ROTH, IRA, hard to know what people call this in other economies) is invested in oil, it goes to .. me.
Super funds in Australia, Canada, the US, are now a massive component of capital investment both in the public market and in private equity. Australia's GDP is 2.5T and the super funds are up to 4T or 5T. Thats $trillion. The super funds are bigger than the GDP of the economy they reside in!
Some funds are just venal machines in the for profit sector. Some are run by boards aligned to union sectors, I am in the tertiary education union backed fund in Australia and it's been in the top 5 performing funds for my entire working lifetime, and given me a comfortable retirement. Most of the injection of funds was from me: I paid between 9 and 12% and on occasion up to 15% of my income into this fund over a 35 year working lifetime. Its accrual is all down to my fund manager, and if they invested in oil and have secured a windfall, at the cost of the future climate risk, thats on me, albiet indirectly. 35 years at the 150+ year 6-7% return in the market, (some say this trend is even older) is several doublings over my working lifetime. Those doublings were driven in .. the market.
Me here, is 75% or more of Australia. It's not some amorphous unknown nasty corporate investor in a sharp suit, its ordinary people. Oh, the article even points out that they pay out on insurance and capital costs rebuilding the exploded ships and production facilities. Guess who makes money? Thats right, the superannuation funds invested in the re-insurance market (Warren Buffett's favourite!) or in construction companies, public or private. So.. thats me again.
The money comes to us. Some of us may be in Saud. Sure. The Saudi state pays a huge stipend to its citizens. Some of us may be in Norway. That national investment fund is amazing. Why do you think Norway is now almost completely cut over to private EV drivers?
I'd love to ideate the hateful oil companies as the victors here but the thing is, they don't simply act like Smaug and sit on a pile of gold coins. Thats not held to be useful by them and their peers. They do shave off FAR TOO MUCH to swan about in those aforementioned sharp suits, but enough of the fat trickles into my hands, to keep me in the manner to which I am accustomed, as a retiree.
I'm as complicit, and so are "you" for many people reading this.
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> It's not some amorphous unknown nasty corporate investor in a sharp suit, its ordinary people.
That 'nasty' guy usually serves investors, instead of investing his own money. For all he cares, these investors might be widows and orphans.
Btw, Singapore's sovereign wealth funds are also big players in basically the same space. Their revenue contribution to the national budget is bigger than any single tax we levy.
In the book Catch-22 character Milo Minderbender helps the enemy conduct an aerial attack on his own base. He successfully defends his actions by pointing out how profitable his syndicate is. “Everyone gets a share.”
> they don't simply act like Smaug and sit on a pile of gold coins
That's because a pile of gold coins does not make money. One makes money by investing the coins, not investing in coins.
I always thought Smaug's hoard (as depicted in Jackson's movie) was beyond ridiculous. If it was unleashed on the economy, the price of gold would drop to the point you could pave the roads with it and make sewer pipes out of it.
As an Australia, i agree with most of what you say, but you have skipped some important parts of the cycle. Firstly there are many hands along the way asking for their cut. This is why everything is going up so quickly, because there are so many hands, who dont add value but tax the process.
Yeah, the people who didn’t set up the system and don’t control or understand it are responsible for it.
Let’s forget about the people who did set up the system, and do control and understand it.
Very reasonable. Very logical and sensible.
I wish I could downvote this, because what a bunch of baloney! Unless you have hundreds of thousands, and to be precise millions, invested in oil already, you're not going to see any significant changes to your portfolio. The rich will get richer playing the market, the regular folk are left out as always paying the price.
that is fundamentally self-centered, the way it is put there. Capital is under the control of certain companies and their decisions are binding financially.. it starts there AFAIK. Upon that stable core is built layer upon layer of related business including things you mention. A framing that the business practices are 'on you' wears thin quickly while simultaneously taking up airspace from very difficult business topics
A few public servants in Australia, Norway and the kingdom of saud doesn't translate to all the people are benefiting. Nice try to shift the blame to 8.5 billion people instead of oil billionaires and corporations. Old people have set up systems to transfer wealth from future generations. The corporate profits are mirror images of debt: https://www.hussmanfunds.com/wp-content/uploads/comment/mc25...
US has $40T federal debt (+state, +municipal, +household) and probably 100T+ debt worldwide which the future generations have to pay.
Fossil fuel is unsustainable without substantial subsidies from Govts. Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Reached $7 Trillion in 2022, an All-Time High: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022
More than a century of subsidies and yet not profitable on its own.
> The super funds are bigger than the GDP of the economy they reside in!
You are comparing the absolute value of something versus yearly performance.
Market cap vs revenue.