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afry1 • today at 10:43 AM • 3 replies • view on HN

This is a misreading of that pull quote.

They're not "learning from the OAI staff", but lawbreaking and disregard for regulation is absolutely at the heart of OpenAI. And the activities that this company takes (or doesn't take) directly influences what the models do (or don't do).

The fish rots from the head down. Models don't learn, but I find "OpenAI models attack websites and take anything they can out of them because that is the business model of the company" completely correct.

The rest of the paragraph from the article:

> We do not have to get too deep into the nature-vs.-nurture argument to suspect that OpenAI executives’ cavalier attitude regarding the taking of information that is not theirs has filtered down to their researchers and the products they create. You don’t have to stretch to paint this picture: OpenAI models are attacking websites and taking anything they can out of them because that is the business model of the company.


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GTP • today at 10:52 AM

I'm not convinced about this. In the article, they also say that they could feed the model with copyright law like that would fix the issue. Unfortunately, not only the LLMs have already been trained on law taxtbooks and codes, but we also have examples of people on the internet were models disregard precise instructions only to apologize later.

Note that this is not to be seen as an excuse for OpenAI to avoid responsibility, just like parents are responsible for damages caused by their kids.

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pj_mukh • today at 10:56 AM

"OpenAI models attack websites and take anything they can out of them because that is the business model of the company"

Wait, what did they hack and take into training data? On the whole, I totally buy that OAI is legally (and criminally) responsible for their agents, but surely, damages have to be proven?

bluegatty • today at 11:27 AM

"but lawbreaking and disregard for regulation is absolutely at the heart of OpenAI. "

No it is not.

What laws and regulations are they breaking?

Their agents broke out of a harness and harassed some other sites, it's not good, but it's not specifically breaking laws. Other companies are treating it as accidental, it mostly is that.

You're rhetoric here is agitating, conflating. This is my point.

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