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microtonal • today at 1:42 PM • 14 replies • view on HN

As others have said, this is not the most recent status update (it depends on future Google changes in QPR1 or QPR2).

The much more interesting recent news IMO is that Google is not allowing (non-Samsung) OEMs to sell devices with GrapheneOS:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49946698

See the last paragraph.

For example, non-Samsung Android OEMs aren't allowed to directly sell devices with GrapheneOS and Google will only permit it within a quota. It can and is being worked around and there will be devices sold with GrapheneOS as the stock OS without Google restricting how many can be sold.

My guess is that the workaround is that Motorola sells them with Google-certified Android. A third-party (non-OEM) buys them in bulk and preinstalls GrapheneOS.

But this is really end-90s/begin-00s Microsoft levels of anti-competitiveness. I'm surprised that (particularly non-US) regulators are not investigating them yet.


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grommz • today at 4:03 PM

It's all about that sweet backdoor. With Google and Samsung the NSA can just waltz in and out of your phone no matter which OS is running. But if some Chinese OEM decides that Unisoc chip & baseband would be the best choice for your GrapheneOS device the NSA will be quite unhappy.

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bayindirh • today at 2:44 PM

> But this is really end-90s/begin-00s Microsoft levels of anti-competitiveness. I'm surprised that (particularly non-US) regulators are not investigating them yet.

Every company is nice until the monies they earn is not guaranteed anymore. They were closing the doors they have intentionally left open in the name of security for a couple of generations.

Now they're being more open about why they are limiting user choice. Because like Chrom(e/ium), Android is designed to be a large data sink for Google to feed The Machine.

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someonebaggy • today at 2:31 PM

Corporations learned they have to get in bed with regulators first, and how to do it.

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dathinab • today at 4:16 PM

> The much more interesting recent news IMO is that Google is not allowing (non-Samsung) OEMs to sell devices with GrapheneOS:

how is that legal??

that sounds like a very clean cut case of thinks companies aren't allowed to do under fair market lawes

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HumblyTossed • today at 2:57 PM

> My guess is that the workaround is that Motorola sells them with Google-certified Android.

Was this ever the deal with Moto? They announced something recently, but it didn't read like Moto would be distributing devices with preinstalled GOS. Just that it would be able to run GOS.

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stkdump • today at 3:42 PM

It takes EU regulators like half a decade or so to make up their minds on each issue.

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Aissen • today at 3:12 PM

> But this is really end-90s/begin-00s Microsoft levels of anti-competitiveness. I'm surprised that (particularly non-US) regulators are not investigating them yet.

You mean like the Skyhook vs Google 2014 lawsuit? (look it up) Settled before it could go any further.

pipodeclown • today at 2:09 PM

You can always notify the EC anti competition whatsdpg through their wistleblower portal:)

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morkalork • today at 1:49 PM

Also reminiscent of iirc Intel's choke hold on companies like Dell that froze out AMD

surgical_fire • today at 3:06 PM

This is where governments should slam them with regulations.

Absolute anti-competitive behavior. "Android is open, but not really"

verisimi • today at 3:46 PM

> I'm surprised that (particularly non-US) regulators are not investigating them yet.

Because corporate managed phones are required for all the id crap governance franchises intend to foist on people.

ajross • today at 2:33 PM

> The much more interesting recent news IMO is that Google is not allowing (non-Samsung) OEMs to sell devices with GrapheneOS:

To be That Guy, Apple is not allowing anyone anywhere to sell any devices with anything but MacOS/iOS.

> But this is really end-90s/begin-00s Microsoft levels of anti-competitiveness.

It's not even the most anti-competitive in the market of 2026!

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gertop • today at 1:51 PM

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alerighi • today at 2:25 PM

If you say something about it you are accused to be a communist because you are against free market, from people that doesn't even know what the term free market means (yes, we need rules to make the market truly free, deregulation is not the way).

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