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hn_submit • today at 9:51 PM • 8 replies • view on HN

This seems a little over the top to me.

Just use a magnetic hard disk and your data will be fine for many decades if not centuries. You don't need M-Blu Rays (which have very limited capacity anyway). A hard disk is cheap and stores several Terabytes.

You obviously need to store the data in a physically remote place like your shed, car or safe deposit box in case your house burns down.

Never, ever use a SSD if you want your data to be safe for any amount of time. What's worse, SSDs can fail unexpectedly with almost zero chance of data recovery.


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StrLght • today at 10:53 PM

> Just use a magnetic hard disk and your data will be fine for many decades if not centuries

It is absolutely not safe for many decades. If you haven't encountered any drive failures yet — you're lucky.

> A hard disk is cheap and stores several Terabytes

You should check prices again, I wouldn't say cheap considering price bump during the last year (or around so). M-Disks are way less convenient, but pretty reasonable for their cost.

rcxdude • today at 11:10 PM

Hard drives are a safe option if you keep them redundant, online, and scrub them regularly. They are not a good long-term offline archive format.

csnover • today at 10:32 PM

> Just use a magnetic hard disk and your data will be fine for many decades if not centuries.

A few months ago I needed to pull from an offline backup. The disk, which used CMR and was purchased new from an actual computer supply company (i.e. not Amazon), was burnt in for about 72 hours before it was loaded up with data and shoved in a padded box. Ten years later, the drive was pulled, and there were so many media surface errors that most of the data was unrecoverable. (I haven’t bothered opening the drive to see if there is some obvious sign of what exactly failed.)

In my case the backups were created in multiples using two different brands for exactly this reason, and the second copy was fine. But I wouldn’t say it’s the case a single magnetic disk can take the place of BD.

Mechanical disks are also getting expensive. The disk purchased to replace the failed backup was being sold at three times its original release MSRP. Some of this is due to the AI hysteria but some of it is also that the market is shrinking and becoming K-shaped.

1potato • today at 10:54 PM

Tell that to my circa-2000s WD MyBook that clicks and fails to initialize after ~17 years in climate-controlled storage in its original packaging. I'm about to attempt surgery on the heads to see if I can get it going again.

I also have a binder full of DVD-Rs, of about the same age and containing mostly the same data, that all read perfectly with no issues.

You're asking for trouble if you count on just one backup solution to keep your data safe.

comboy • today at 10:28 PM

Offline HDDs are not a reliable long term data storage. Not even for a few years.

wmf • today at 10:23 PM

Hard disks aren't even rated for one decade.

RachelF • today at 9:57 PM

Hard drives are way bigger, but M-Disk is more reliable for very long term storage.

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OtomotO • today at 10:02 PM

With the decline in quality I am no longer confident my HDDs are actually a save backup strategy.

I have so many photos of vacations and people who I've buried over the years, that I don't want to lose.

So I was thinking about using Blu-ray M-Disks as well, these last couple of months.