The original comments is "DeepSeek, and other Chinese models, are heavily subsidised by the Chinese government"

> That's what I'm asking - which monetary subsidies?

I am listing for you the non-monetary subsidies, which are just as real and equally important.

> not being sued into oblivious by the government for their countless hacks of other companies and countries

If it was one of the Chinese labs doing this hacking, the government would be stepping in. If it was European labs they'd be stepping in. If it was you or I the government would be stepping in. That is a massive subsidy (they don't have to worry about the same legal fees and exposure) and being allowed to continue doing business is in fact priceless.

> So judges and juries are involved in the subsidization conspiracy, too?

There is no conspiracy. They are objectively operating by a different set of rules than you or I could operate in this market.

> Sure, though if you think this isn't happening in China too, I have a bridge to sell you.

I never said it wasn't, I'm saying that it's happening here and it's a very real subsidy.