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2OEH8eoCRo0 • today at 6:05 PM • 11 replies • view on HN

It's weird that so many Germans are sympathetic to Russia given that they were subjugated by Russia for decades.

Can someone please explain what's going on here? What am I culturally missing?


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ikmckenz • today at 6:11 PM

We don’t know what country he was spying for, but we do know it’s not Russia. From the very short article: > The case does not involve Russia, according to information obtained by Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

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pepperoni_pizza • today at 8:53 PM

The Eastern Germans remember the old days fondly (you know, before "the West destroyed their industry" and whatnot) while the Western Germany had a national policy of "not provoking Russia" and "accepting its sphere of influence" for basically all of it's existence.

From personal experience I would also say that Germans and Russians are alike in quite a few ways - both are pretty chauvinist societies looking down at other nations, and both have very low empathy. Obviously, there are big cultural differences as well.

germoney • today at 6:59 PM

From what I see here it’s a mixture of anti-Americanism, „Ostslgie“ (the longing for the good old times of the DDR, a feeling often inherited from parents) and a crap ton of Russian propaganda that floods social media.

Combine this with a step economic decline and voila you got the perfect conditions for autocratic sympathies

sam1714 • today at 6:51 PM

Similar to why there's a significant fraction of pro-mainland China people in Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Reasons include people who benefitted from the Soviet Union, often due to business and trade. Analogy would be Foxconn, a Taiwanese company which is dependent on manufacturing in China.

Nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses/rosy retrospection, Ostalgie in German.

Families that were ethnically from Russia, moved during the Soviet Union times and still have ties to Russia.

The former East Germany is way more pro-Russian than the former West Germany, showing the effects of these factors.

ofrzeta • today at 7:34 PM

I would not say it's many but certainly there are some. I found it surprising that in recent sabotage or spy cases in Germany there were often Ukrainian or Latvian accomplices to the Russians. But then again it's obvious that not all Ukrainians have the same opinion about the war.

1718627440 • today at 7:11 PM

Some part of the population was subject to 60 years of continuous propaganda. That's three generations. You might say people should be able to see beyond that, but the ones influencing them were professionals too.

1247agF • today at 6:23 PM

Are you sympathetic to MBS when you buy oil from Saudi Arabia?

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pessimizer • today at 7:21 PM

> It's weird that so many Germans are sympathetic to Russia given that they were subjugated by Russia for decades.

Do you think that Germany might have done something right before this "subjugation"?

Maybe 25-40 million things?

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petre • today at 6:50 PM

> Can someone please explain what's going on here?

Putin got'em addicted to cheap Russian gas and paid up anti nuclear NGOs who also got cash from big oil.

Also Berlin still has some Russian minority since the GDR. That includes anti Putin Russian diaspora or people that just needed a break from paranoia and brespredel.

MomsAVoxell • today at 7:39 PM

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estearum • today at 6:15 PM

There's a certain subset of every population that just wants to be dominated. Some of these people don't have the courage to ask their romantic partner or a professional, so they try to realize their kink through political means.