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vablings • yesterday at 7:27 PM • 7 replies • view on HN

That's pretty stupid. Most people who are incurring significant costs are just tokenmaxxing rather than being efficient with usage. You can get 99% of jobs and work done with Haiku/Luna in a collaberating working enviroment.

I feel like people who are later to the AI game just like to "oneshot" and sink a bunch of usage into generating garbage


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Tsarbomb • yesterday at 7:34 PM

There really is a skill to using it effectively. I've tried coaching some of the devs on my team. Some get it, some don't.

Our company has been tracking token usage and models used vs output (tickets, story points, PRs, deploys, etc...). A dev got chewed out, even after I warned him, because he spent over $2k in a single month almost exclusively on Opus while his actual productivity in terms of what he delivered was abysmal.

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cogman10 • yesterday at 8:54 PM

That's what happens when token usage becomes a performance metric. As has been done at my company.

hatthew • yesterday at 8:14 PM

I feel like it's only within the past few months that opus got to the point where guiding the model is faster than doing things myself. I tried out sonnet recently and it was not a net positive to my work. I feel like anything that I'd trust haiku to handle isn't worth doing in the first place.

For context, I'm doing a range of tasks, everything from one-shotting adhoc scripts to having 4 hour 10M+ token conversations debugging things.

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onehair • yesterday at 9:33 PM

in my company there are a few who keep sharing screenshots of reaching limits on 3 separate subscriptions, 2 of them their personal on top of the company subscription

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perching_aix • yesterday at 7:55 PM

What on earth do you even do with these models?

Or does a "collaborating work environment" mean that everything is basically spoonfed to them? Or do you only ever use ghost suggestions?

I genuinely cannot even fathom. Just how do you even get into a state where tasks are so clear and cookie cutter? These things are abhorrent. Not only are they not useful, it's an outright form of psychological torture to try and use them. They almost fight you.

Luna doesn't even respond to steers properly! You try steering it and it immediately gets distracted and then just stops.

I can imagine coercing Sonnet into doing some of my tasks okay, but Haiku? Especially 4.5? Really?

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funnym0nk3y • yesterday at 8:04 PM

Sorry, but that is nonsense. Compared to opus haiku doesn't cut it most of the time.

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usaar333 • yesterday at 7:54 PM

> You can get 99% of jobs and work done with Haiku/Luna in a collaberating working enviroment.

Optimally? Opus will pay for itself if you save just 10% of your time

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