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isahers • today at 5:27 PM • 3 replies • view on HN

I think that 2 things can be true at once: OpenAI doesn't care enough about safety, and these researchers violated the terms of their employment by sharing proprietary information they were not authorized to. IMO safety is a lost cause unless we somehow agree with China to halt model development. Think its pretty clear they violated the terms of their employment, otherwise they would be suing (California labor laws are very employee friendly), and to be quite frank none of what they are doing is particularly important in the grand scheme of safety, which requires geopolitical changes well beyond their power. OpenAI is also pretty scummy though and are obviously not in the right morally even if they are legally.


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sam-cop-vimes • today at 5:33 PM

> IMO safety is a lost cause unless we somehow agree with China to halt model development.

There was a recent Semi Analysis post that China is not in fact doing anything to slow down frontier model development so I doubt this is relevant.

https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/p/beijing-will-not-pace-...

ball_of_lint • today at 5:34 PM

No one has ruled out a suit.

SpicyLemonZest • today at 5:35 PM

As he says, OpenAI is not a normal company and they acknowledge they’re not a normal company. If their product is as important and impactful as they claim, they will inevitably be held to account in ways that other companies are not.

> Think its pretty clear they violated the terms of their employment, otherwise they would be suing (California labor laws are very employee friendly)

Not that employee friendly. In California, as in most of the US, it’s entirely legal to fire someone because you’ve subjectively decided they’re untrustworthy. It can be risky to do so without a clear paper trail, because it may be easy for them to argue it was a pretext for a protected reason, but it’s lawful.