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thrance • yesterday at 9:54 PM • 8 replies • view on HN

Line at the end of the in-game "rulebook":

> Every rule, vote count and case in this game is drawn from the public record. Sources are in docs/research/ in the project folder. Neighborhood politics scores and the economics are simplified for play.

Nice, I'm happy to hear that, Claude. This kind of silly game is supposed to help you understand a complex issue in a fun way. But this is missing the plot entirely. Why is this so overwhelmingly complex? Why would I spend time learning this ugly, convoluted and verbose UI? Who is this for??

EDIT: I'll link to an example of what I think this game should have been: https://research.wmz.ninja/projects/phd/index.html

A game made with intent, that is easy to pick up, respects its player's time, and makes its point effectively.


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roenxi • yesterday at 10:51 PM

This runs into the reality that the game maker knows who his target audience is, but you don't. If he wants to make a spreadsheet simulator or something targeted at people who like complex interfaces he can do that. I point at ASCII-UI Dwarf Fortress, one of the great games of this century, as evidence that a game does not need to be accessible to be true art.

It is frustrating to be excluded when a game developer builds a game that looks interesting but targets a niche you don't fit in.

Also those https://research.wmz.ninja/projects/phd/index.html style games are a bit vapid. At any moment a person has more than a handful of choices and the simplification abstracts away the important ones, like ranking what ideas are important or changing strategies for idea generation in this one.

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zugi • yesterday at 11:58 PM

> Why is this so overwhelmingly complex? Why would I spend time learning this ugly, convoluted and verbose UI?

My guess is that's the point - now you understand how San Francisco property developers feel.

rjh29 • yesterday at 10:01 PM

> Who is this for??

Like most vibe coded projects, it is for the person who created it. And usually only them.

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howunfortunate • yesterday at 10:16 PM

It's a throwaway joke about NIMBYism, not a triple-A blockbuster production.

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karl11 • yesterday at 10:01 PM

I think that may be exactly the point.

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jkestner • yesterday at 10:41 PM

Eh, your example is a different kind of game. Not into linear choose-your-own-adventure games myself. I think the UI of this one accurately models the many moving parts and forces in the process it's simulating, and I didn't have a problem picking it up though I skipped the tutorial. It has a sense of humor (read the speaker comments at meetings, and the news articles), and hits you with the real world outcome each development is based on. Made an impact on me.

pluc • yesterday at 10:42 PM

"I didn't understand this, so I had an AI make this so that you couldn't understand it too"

zer00eyz • yesterday at 11:50 PM

> Why would I spend time learning this ugly, convoluted and verbose UI? Who is this for??

Tell me you never played the old TUI dwarf fortress without telling me.

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