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Aurornis • yesterday at 11:00 PM • 4 replies • view on HN

This is the kind of gap in shared understanding that is widening.

When people use words like “chatbot” to talk about their AI use and can’t really name basic things like the model they were using, it reveals a wide chasm between the people who are deep into understanding how to use these things and those who poke at easy options every few months and then look for ways to confirm their priors instead of trying to understand how other people are getting value.


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majormajor • yesterday at 11:10 PM

The incentives seem to be lined up to push users to the frontier of "how much can the harness around the model do and claim without most people pushing back on the claims."

The bigger the pile of stuff you have the tool create unsupervised, the more incomplete/inaccurate the overall picture of it is gonna be. That doesn't matter for most hobbyist/helper-tool/game-port/etc type of tasks.

I get a ton of value out of the tools and yet part of that value has come from being hyper-aware of the shape of the limitations, which changes much less and more slowly than the specific of the limitations.

"How'd you notice that one!?" - well, it helps to be the only person on the team who took the time to interrogate the e2e interaction of all the code...

The median piece of OSS software was already pretty rough once you had to depend on it in production at scale to make money. The median piece of the new AI-generated wave of software, also pretty rough.

The bet that OpenAI/Anthropic is making is that they can automate the interactions generally/globally enough to work around this and eliminate the need for humans in the loop. But it's a tricky problem because it's precisely where the permutations and special cases get nasty and much harder to deal with than more broadly-applicable cases of codegen/test-gen/mash-it-until-the-tests-pass-and-the-code-review-angent-is-happy.

skydhash • today at 2:44 AM

> When people use words like “chatbot” to talk about their AI use and can’t really name basic things like the model they were using, it reveals a wide chasm between the people who are deep into understanding how to use these things and those who poke at easy options every few months and then look for ways to confirm their priors instead of trying to understand how other people are getting value.

While the latest and newest should be needed for greater capability, the average should be enough to give a glimpse pf what is possible. Like a basic netbook is enough to enjoy computing, no need to purchase the latest supercomputer.

If you need to switch your setup every quarter or so, it’s not a tool, it’s a rat race.

unclebucknasty • today at 1:12 AM

This has all started to feel very Emperor's New Clothes-ish. "Well, if it's not working for you, then it's your fault. You're just not using it properly. You're not worthy of its wonders".

Not to say there's no value to be had. However, it's also been oversold and its error-proneness is a real problem.

But, it seems there's a steady stream of commenters and creators who are quick to remind us that it's never a problem with the tech. It's always a user problem.

Meanwhile, the errors are renamed "hallucinations", but let's not focus on those. In fact, if you just look right over here at this .md file...

Madmallard • yesterday at 11:03 PM

using skills with opus 5.5 and agents for each individual task that have shared knowledge of all of your records does not lead to a significant increase in trustworthiness