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simonw • today at 9:44 PM • 19 replies • view on HN

These are not very smart spies:

> A chatbot account tied to Alfozan’s spouse, which shared identifiers with his own account, submitted prompts between Sept. 24 and Sept. 30 about building, installing, obscuring, and remotely accessing a recording device, prosecutors said. Queries included how to “build a continuous audio recorder” and “encrypt the SD card,” prosecutors claimed. On Sept. 27 and 28, the account asked about the specific device that was later found, including its unique MAC address.


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adamm255 • today at 9:48 PM

Learning that every thought you’ve put into an LLM, is recorded and readily available for evidence is going to be interesting for a lot of people.

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areoform • today at 10:07 PM

How far have we fallen? Spies used to put effort into these sorts of things.

When the Soviets wanted to spy on the American embassy, they energized the steel rebars to act as antennas. The structure was so wired that the entire building was the bug. https://www.airandspaceforces.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Docume...

Toilet paper, ESP-32 and Claude "make me a bug please"? Excuse me? How far have we fallen from grace?

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Topfi • today at 10:28 PM

Somehow is an engineer at OpenAI and before that at Meta.

Does not understand how models or data retention works.

Needs LLMs to encrypt a flash card.

Are their hiring standards that lax?

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janalsncm • today at 9:54 PM

You probably don’t hear about the smart ones.

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jonplackett • today at 10:26 PM

It’s the criminals that you don’t catch that you have to worry about.

The fact that even this incompetent dude most likely still made off with some secrets means I’m sure some better trained ones got/are continuing to get a few more.

hoppp • today at 10:25 PM

The listening device was concealed with toilet paper behind a tv. Duh, Not smart at all.

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andai • today at 9:59 PM

Hey ChatGPT, how do I do opsec? (Asking for a friend)

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solyin • today at 9:59 PM

Especially since you an just buy one, like Plaud and tape it to the underside of the desk, surreptitiously, instead of suspiciously accessing the back of the TV.

afavour • today at 10:15 PM

> the truth is, these are not very bright guys and things got out of hand

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icedchai • today at 10:29 PM

Nope. He probably should've googled it (from a coffee shop, over a VPN.) There is commercial grade spy equipment that can be bought relatively cheaply and looks like every day items.

United857 • today at 10:02 PM

Also from the article:

> An unattended bag found in the company’s offices contained Alfozan’s wallet and identification, as well as a recording device

It’s almost like he wanted to be caught…

sippingabonedry • today at 10:23 PM

The tech industry has a lot of very capable people with very narrow domain knowledge.

Somehow they think this gives them superpowers when it's built atop a tower of borderline retardation.

Remember the Apple guy a minute ago that arrogantly thought he could bypass their security?

ReptileMan • today at 9:53 PM

I am not sure whether it bodes well for humanity that the advice "If you want to break the law use local abliterated model or at least a Chinese one" actually has to be written down.

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TZubiri • today at 9:49 PM

"OpenAI personnel found the device Sept. 30. It was plugged into a USB port on the back of a television in an executive conference room and had been concealed in toilet paper,"

I wonder what the IQ of someone needs to be to think that covering it up with tp makes it less suspicious instead of more. And I also wonder what the hiring process was like to hire someone with that mental frame.

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IncreasePosts • today at 9:58 PM

He should have just left a tape recorder running inside a briefcase that was "forgotten" in the conference room

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ajross • today at 9:48 PM

Given that this is being described as an "executive conference room", it's more likely an attempt at insider trading than espionage. Decisions made in those rooms at OpenAI move markets (c.f. DRAM) for sure.

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