I hope she goes to Pablo Torres podcast. I bet she is referring to that in her interview. He's fantastic and deserved to win the Pulitzer for his reporting on Kawhi Leonard and Steve Ballmer of the Clippers. They make me excited about sports again because they clearly are fans. I used to be a fan but the gambling is so disgusting.

I also really enjoyed Michael Lewis' podcast on sports betting. Fascinating people in that world. He did this series to try to teach his 16 year old son not to gamble and it didn't work out perfectly. Terrific storytelling.