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abletonlive • yesterday at 11:05 PM • 4 replies • view on HN

I can't wait for everybody to look back on "alignment" and realize that it's a flawed premise at its core and as such, a fool's errand


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sweetjuly • today at 1:06 AM

Seriously. It feels like Anthropic is realizing this too with their new attempt at safeguards. Trying to train the model to "only do good things" was not working, and so they opted to just bolt a topic classifier on the outputted text.

My suspicion is that model makers are going to give up on what people currently mean when they say 'alignment' and instead rely on additional processing of the model output so they can have their cake (a veneer of safety) and eat it too (latent space reasoning, etc.)

pixl97 • yesterday at 11:52 PM

Then we should stop building LLMs right now.

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jimbokun • today at 1:31 AM

What’s the alternative?

CamperBob2 • yesterday at 11:13 PM

Alignment is a very broad term. True, it encompasses things like censorship and mandatory refusals in areas people will never agree 100% on, but a completely-unaligned LLM would be next to useless. When the system prompt tells the model, "You are a helpful assistant," that's alignment.

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