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p-e-w • today at 12:12 PM • 3 replies • view on HN

Trump and his predecessors have all been advancing mass surveillance on an unimaginable scale. This particular topic is probably the strongest argument against the power of voting.


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breezybottom • today at 12:53 PM

People getting what they want isn't an argument against voting.

Tangurena2 • today at 1:42 PM

It started under bush jr. That mass surveillance was illegal and then-respected media outlets like NYTimes and WaPo knew about it prior to the 2004 elections and deliberately covered it up until after that election. Congress then retroactively legalized that illegal activity in order to protect bush & themselves.

bell-cot • today at 12:33 PM

Against the power of n=1 voting, or the against the power of "we got 53%" voting?

I was pointing out that the former is virtually meaningless, but the latter tends to be decisive.

Yes, mass surveillance is a huge problem. But most of the time, most of the voters do not behave as if they meaningfully care about most of the aspects of mass surveillance. That's pretty much the same rule as for the Pentagon buying $5,000 screwdrivers, and bizarre loopholes appearing in the tax code to benefit a few billionaires who are extremely "generous" to their good friends in Congress. Both R's and D's may loudly denounce those practices - but they know that actually fighting against them, where it counts, will not be good for their political careers.